Lord Raglan's Scale

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    Lord Raglan, in THE HERO (1936) has classified the parallel life-patterns of the mythical hero of tradition into twenty-two archetypal incidents, as noted below. The higher a particular hero scores, the closer he is to the UR-archetype of the sacred hero-king of prehistoric religious ritual; a historical hero is likely to share rather few of the mythical characteristics.

    Note: this used to be a form, but as it never worked I've simply combined the results page with this one.

    LORD RAGLANS SCALE

    The hero's mother is a royal virgin
    His father is a king and
    often a near relative of the mother, but
    the circumstances of his conception are unusual, and
    he is also reputed to be the son of a god
    at birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or maternal grandfather, to kill him, but
    He is spirited away, and
    Reared by foster-parents in a far country
    We are told nothing of his childhood, but
    On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future kingdom.
    After a victory over the king and or giant, dragon, or wild beast
    He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor and
    becomes king
    For a time he reigns uneventfully and
    Prescribes laws but
    later loses favor with the gods and or his people and
    Is driven from from the throne and the city after which
    He meets with a mysterious death
    often at the top of a hill.
    his children, if any, do not succeed him.
    his body is not buried, but nevertheless
    he has one or more holy sepulchres.

    Undoubtedly historical personages always score lower than six, although Alexander the Great might be said to exceed that figure with a possible score of seven, depending on how one interprets some aspects of his life history. Here is how some other people you might have heard of scored.

    How Some Heros Scored
    Oedipus scores 21
    Theseus scores 20
    Moses scores 20
    Dionysus scores 19
    Jesus scores 19
    Romulus scores 18
    Perseus scores 18
    Hercules scores 17
    Llew Llaw Gyffes scores 17
    Bellerophon scores 16
    Jason scores 15
    Mwindo scores 14
    Robin Hood scores 13
    Pelops scores 13
    Apollo scores 11
    Sigurd scores 11.

    If you have an argument with any of the scores on this list, don't complain to me. It was those darned eastern European judges.

    How to Interpret the score of The Hero (or at least my opinion on the subject)

    If the Hero scored less than six:
    This means that the Hero may a historical figure since historical figures do not conform closly to the UR-Archetype. This is not definite proof that the person existed, since most cartoon characters score fairly low. For those who are known to have existed, there are two ways that this score may still increase over time.

    If the Hero is still alive, the Hero may gain as many as five more points before death, as the archetypical story focuses largely on the birth and death of the figure. For the previously mentioned reasons this is, however, fairly unlikely.

    If the story of the Hero is passed along largely by oral tradition, the story may be altered over time to conform more closely to the archetype. Stories about historical figures are often altered in this way, while those that are written down are largely 'frozen' in whatever form they are recorded.

    If the Hero scored more than six:

    This means that the Hero most likely does not closely represent a historical figure, as it is unusual for a historical personage to score above six. This does not mean that the Hero is entirely fictious, but does indicate that many aspects of the life of the Hero have either been lost or replaced by those of the archetype.

    If Hero is not already listed on the previous page, please feel free to mail me about them. I'm always looking for additional information

    Why do the stories of heros get altered to conform to the archetype?

    There is a human desire to make the hero into a larger than life figure, and to shroud the various aspects of their life in meaning. Since chances are, in a society that passes stories along by oral tradition, there is a value placed on the creativity of a story teller, otherwise mundane aspects of life are likely to be embellished, especially if the true details of that aspect of a life have been lost. Beyond that, I do not know but I welcome any and all speculation in this area.

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    Jesus' life model is a very old and oft-repeated one...
     

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