Los Angeles Covid Mandates

https://abc7.com/vaccine-mandate-proof-los-angeles/11211702/

Hello,

Here I am in Los Angeles and because I have not consumed the vaccine, I am not allowed in restaurants, bars, and gyms.

When these same places were forced to close their doors, Los Angeles was still among the worst his metros.

Meanwhile, people can crowd Walmart and select a ripe avocado!

Any guesses as to the outcome of this overreach?

 

One outcome of the zealotry in California and LA might possibly be that the Chief Zealot Newsome has become a victim of the clot shots himself. If true, Karma must have played a role.

LA is starting to look like Nazi Germany. Soon they will require you infidels to wear some symbol on your clothing, perhaps a yellow star.

 

Reduced spread of the virus. Duh!

 

Anything to keep tourists away from being able to report back to the outside world what a dump LA has become.

 

You know this is happening in other countries, right? And it's no big deal. Public health and safety. Sheesh!

 

So maybe we can catch up with Florida?

Yes. There are different degrees of overreach all over the world and results we can discuss. Los Angeles, for example, had strict lock downs and still showed poor results.

You know the definition of insanity, right?

 

You cannot compare lockdowns to vaccine requirements - so I don't believe they are repeating the same thing over and over again (your reference to insanity). Ensuring that all patrons are vaccinated is a part of public health and safety.

 

Fair enough, but we are discussing different degrees of overreach and results from the past are relevant. While the mandates change, results show they are not necessary.

Your claim that ensuring patrons are vaccinated is in the interest of public health is already proven false. Results show otherwise. If you are saying that Angelino's are stupid and need the government to tell them what to do, I would have a hard time challenging that position!

 

Despite Mandates Aplenty, California’s COVID Rate Now Doubles Florida’s.

The Winning Way.​

California’s full vaccination rate (62%) is slightly higher than Florida (60), but not by much.

 

Do you own a restaurant? Or know any owners? I don't own but know several owners and they are happy to be open and only too happy to oblige with the regulations. And it isn't hurting their business. People who are vaccinated are dining out again. Those who aren't, can't. But it isn't making a dent in the restaurant business.

 

Those lucky enough to have survived Newsom's/Garcetti's lock downs could still require vaccine ID if they choose. If they are truly happy with that , it would not have to be forced on them.

Are your restaurant owner friends in Los Angeles? Many restaurant owners strongly oppose becoming the vaccine police for our government.

I am not taking this vaccine, but will still go to restaurants and gyms. Simi Valley is only one exit away and I am out of LA.

 

I would hope that the outcome is eventually the shaming out of office forever of any politician, local, state, or federal, who pushed these arbitrary mandates.

 

But isn't it also true that many businesses don't want to spend 1 dime or second of their time to be the enforcement arm of an overreaching government?

 

There is already Health & Safety regulations for businesses throughout the country - this is just a part of it.

 

What other highly controversial policies is the government demanding employers assist them in enforcing?

 

Looking up Workplace Health & Safety regulations would be a good help for you. The first and most important role of the employer is to ensure the workplace is safe and that they prevent health risks. How can you not see covid regulations as falling under that category? If you feel the government is overreaching, then you should have an issue with Workplace Health & Safety in general. Do you take issue with other government administrations that have enforced those rules?

 

Effective inducements vs smashed mouth authoritarianism:

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How can I not see? Lol. Maybe because 200 different countries are doing 200 different things and nobody is winning. How can you not see that Covid regulations have a deleterious effect on society, but offer zero advantage to "controlling" Covid?

 

If you'd just said at the beginning, I wouldn't have gone so far into a conversation with you. If you don't want to discuss Health & Safety in the Workplace, just say so.

 

OSHA was created to make the workplace safer from dangerous but necessary machines to make the business work.

OSHA was NOT created to tell employees which medicines or nutrition to take. If it was supposed to make sure employees were at peak health, obese people or people with diabetes or health conditions would be forbidden to work.

OSHA is not excepted by HIPPA.

 

OSHA has three stated goals that serve as the cornerstones of its policies and regulations: 1) Improve the safety and health for all workers, as evidenced by fewer hazards, reduced exposures, and fewer injuries, illnesses, and fatalities; 2) Change workplace culture to increase employer and worker awareness of, commitment to, and involvement in safety and health; 3) Secure public confidence through excellence in the development and delivery of OSHA's programs and services. The federal guidelines imposed by this agency are complemented by state regulations that are often tougher than those proposed by OSHA.
https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/workplace-safety.html

 

Good!

Are you ready to discuss the danger posed to the workplace with a virus that is survived by 99% of the people infected by it?

Read this one Pants: The OSHA Mandate Appeals Court Stay | PoliticalForum.com - Forum for US and Intl Politics

 

This thread is about requiring vaccination to visit indoor businesses. That is what my posts have been about. LA's mandate is about public health and safety.

I already know your stance - and likely, you know mine. So why would we go back and forth on our differing opinions?

 

I guess I was thrown off by your post 21 in this thread, in which you cited OSHA.