Majority of Covid patients in hospital may have been admitted for OTHER ailments before testing posi

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Majority of Covid patients in hospital may have been admitted for OTHER ailments before testing positive, leaked NHS data suggests

This is from England. A few highlights:

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• Over 50% of Covid patients in England tested positive only after being hospitalised – likely for other reasons – leaked NHS data has suggested, raising questions about the true impact the virus is having on the healthcare system.
  The previously hidden figures, covering all NHS trusts in England, showed that as of last week, only 44% of those classified as Covid patients had tested positive for the virus by the time they were admitted to hospital. Despite broad public testing for the disease, an incredible 56% of Covid hospitalisations involve already-admitted patients who were administered routine Covid tests, the Telegraph reported. Forty-three percent of Covid-positive patients were identified within two days of admission, while 13% were flagged in the following days and weeks.
  

With the majority of Covid patients being diagnosed after admission – in some cases weeks later – the leaked data points to the possibility that the virus may only have a minor or negligible role in many hospitalisations blamed on coronavirus.

The leaked figures also suggest that a large number of Covid hospitalisations are the result of nosocomial transmission, meaning that healthcare facilities – rather than restaurants, stadiums, schools, or other public venues – may be driving up infections requiring medical care.

Ultimately, the NHS leak indicates that many Covid patients are actually in hospital for non-Covid reasons, especially when one considers the widespread and regular use of PCR tests, Professor Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, told the Telegraph.

“When people hear about hospitalisations with Covid, they will assume that Covid is the likely cause, but this data shows something quite different – this is about Covid being detected after tests were looking for it,” he said, adding that the current data being fed to the public could lead to “false conclusions” and exaggerate the virus’ actual impact on the NHS.

Heneghan described the leaked figures as “incredibly important” and urged the government to stop withholding such data.

https://www.rt.com/uk/530337-covid-hospital-admissions-nhs-leak-data/

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Original source for the story is The Telegraph. There's a clickable link in the RT article, but requires a ssubscription to read it.

I wonder to what degree this might be true in the US; that people are getting COVID after being admitted to the hospital for some other reason. In general, hospital workers are not vaccinated at a higher % than the general population, so it certainly is possible.

 

IDK what the real numbers are,but the version of the story I read was basing its numbers on just 1 day's data so I am skeptical in both directions as to this particular story as of now.

 

As a crucial part of the deception, data has been manipulated since the beginning. Compounded with the fraudulent misuse of the PCR test, it's obvious that you can't believe a damn word most governments say about this flu.

That combined with knowledge of the patents for coronavirus and its incorrectly named vaccines shows that this has been a magnificent deception by WHO, WEF, CDC and the rest of the alphabet groups of the Medical Industrial Complex.

 

An NHS spokesman said: "Many patients are admitted to hospital because of their Covid symptoms and complications, which are then confirmed with a post-admission Covid test, and for others, they may initially be presymptomatic or asymptomatic."

The NHS has been told to provide "a breakdown of the current stock of Covid patients" by separating those in hospital for the virus and those for other reasons, the Telegraph reports.

However, bosses have not yet revealed the data.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3356548/half-covid-hospitalisations-patients-positive-after-admission/

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Yeah, totally made up.

The point here is that, without separating patients admitted for COVID vs those admitted for something else and then determined to have COVID, the impression is that a great deal more are being admitted because of COVID than truly are. It makes the situation seem that much more dire.

 

I don't recall what was said about the incubation period between infection and testing positive but I think your theory about transmission happening IN the hospital (versus before admission) is plausible. Hospitals are where sick people congregate. Just like nursing homes and rehab facilities and schools - incubators for all kinds of nasty stuff.

One thing that has topped my list for "doesn't make sense" is the idea that with the onset of COVID, the regular influenzas have somehow vanished. Someone justified it saying that socially distancing, masking and washing hands is the reason but that wouldn't make it ZERO. Some of my hard-headed neighbors wouldn't even quarantine when the health department put them on lockdown. I'm certain they and their ilk aren't practicing proper hygiene. They refused to wear masks (no political statement, just cheap and lazy).

And, now this whole thing about the PCR test being phased out because it's not the right test...just weird. I tested positive in November and there is absolutely NO way that I could have contracted it. None. The only person around me during the whole year tested negative. My physical therapist came last week and I told her about that and she said that she's guessing it was a false positive and she's heard that from other patients as well.

I don't want to be cynical but they aren't going to let this cash cow go just yet. These various reports of things that don't add up are going to keep trickling in.

 

What kind of crap are you citing? The link above is trying to get us download a file.

Not that much. This isn't the UK.

 

That report is from Russia, not England.

RT is a Russian propaganda site.

 

The key word there being "may", though as is usual that is quickly ignored once they get in to the meat of the story.

The simple facts is that the data as presented (even assuming it's entirely accurate) isn't anything like detailed enough to reach any kind of meaningful conclusion. It is very easy to spin it to present pretty much any conclusion you want to though (demonstrably). There is a massive range of different data gather about patients as their admitted and throughout their hospital stay and treatment. Even with a single patient record, it can take some skill and understanding to interpret what it actually means in the real world so trying to establish trends across groups of patients is that much more difficult. I'm all for data being published so independent experts with the skill and experience are able to analyse it but release of such data also allows the dishonest and ignorant the ability to misrepresent data as meaning whatever they want to say (or believe) it means. And they make so much more noise than the experts.

 

Obviously Covid killed the Flu first so it could have us all to itself <sarcasm> . I now find myself reduced to watching OLD movies and TV shows and coming here because I don't believe a damn thing I see or hear anymore. And thanks for the tutorial on how to post a link, I dood it a couple of days ago!

 

Yep! <pondering emoji>

You are braver than me apparently. I gave up tv decades ago. I tried to give it up for Lent one year but my parents said "Nice try. Pick something you would actually miss doing without."

Yep. Shoot me a pm or post if I can help with anything!

 

If this data is true, one has to question why and how patients are being infected by covid at such a high rate. Further reason for mandatory vaccinations for all hospital staff methinks.

 

An NHS spokesman said: "Many patients are admitted to hospital because of their Covid symptoms and complications, which are then confirmed with a post-admission Covid test, and for others, they may initially be presymptomatic or asymptomatic."

As to the bolded above: you don't get admitted to the hospital for COVID by being asymptomatic or presymptomatic. Clearly, in the case of those individuals, something else was the cause of their hospital admission.

Were some of these people suffering from knock-on effects from covid? Possibly, maybe even likely so, but then some likely were accident victims, people checking in for scheduled surgery etc. In any case, once COVID is found, they become a COVID patient.

This really goes back to early on in the pandemic and how we saw some extreme cases of people clearly dying from other causes (such as a motorcycle crash) but being labeled a COVID death due to testing positive for the virus before dying.

So what does it matter anyway? Well, if it's just a few outliers, probably not much in the grand scheme of things. If more than a few outliers, it does matter as policy is driven off these stats. Given that we were told early on in the pandemic that viruses mutate to become more transmissible (as with the now predominant delta variant) but less deadly, it is more important than ever to get a true assessment.

The NHS has been told to provide "a breakdown of the current stock of Covid patients" by separating those in hospital for the virus and those for other reasons, the Telegraph reports.

However, bosses have not yet revealed the data.

As to the above italicized, this is exactly why we only have 'leaks' instead of the full story.

 

That is one clear implication.

 

What are you going on about? It's an article from The Sun, with no obligation to download anything in order to read it.

 

Click on your link.

 

Our glorious peoples leaders bribed hospitals to report most deaths as Corona/Covid and imposed bogus tests to create a panic situation.
Millions bought the lies. Now we get to play the "variant game", so have fun with the next phase of manufactured panic.
Oh, and remember to keep faith in your liar politicians, preachers, news casters etc. and keep the depopulation game going.

 

...pigs can fly, and the moon is made of green cheese.

And your magical knowledge came from whom? Who told you this?

 

Rinse and repeat

This is from Russia, not England.

 

You obviously didn't bother reading the entire OP, as I included this in it:

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Original source for the story is the Telegraph. There's a clickable link in the RT article, but requires a subscription to read it.
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I also later found an article in The Sun referencing the same subject and posted from it upthread.

Again, to "rinse and repeat", the original source for the article is the Telegraph. RT was used since the Telegraph requires a subscription. RT made it clear that the source of its article was the Telegraph and, as stated in the OP, provided a clickable link in its article.

Got it?

 

In the US the Delta variant clearly is not increasing US death rates:

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US deaths continue to fall.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/delta-hysteria.php

That's a subset of the Left. Many on the Left love Freedom and Liberty as much as Constitutionalists do.

 

How have the researchers determined that these people were admitted for something else? How do they know that these people weren't admitted for COVID symptoms, but simply hadn't yet been tested?

Unless there is actual evidence of them being admitted for entirely unrelated conditions, this is bogus material.