Making selling kids for sex a felony would hurt the LGB, black and brown communities

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  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    Very good. Pedophilia is not an action. It's a disorder. One with the disorder may or may not commit sexual assault upon a pre-pubescent minor. In the former situation they have commited a crime. In the latter, they have not. The disorder itself is not action and as such pedophilia is not illegal. Especially since sexual assault against a minor can happen with pubescent and post-pubescent minors as well, in addition to being committed for reasons other than the disorder.

    This is a whole other issue, worthy of its own thread. I would be interested in seeing your reasoning, but not enough to thread jack.

    This is the second time you've brought this up. This is nothing that I have mentioned, nor alluded to, or even support. This is just something coming from out of the blue with you.
     
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    There is no such thing as pedophile sexual activity as far as the law is concerned. It's either sexual assault of a minor or it's not. The law doesn't care whether or not the aggressor is a pedophile. The law doesn't even limit itself to the range of a pedophile.
     
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    I can't believe that I missed this the first time around. By this statement here, you have shown that you do know that pedophilia is not illegal. Can you show me where a person has been arrested and convicted simply for having a sexual attraction to children. Not possession of child porn, not attempted sexual assault, not stalking. Simply having the sexual attraction. Your own wording states that pedophilia is not an action. So by your own wording, how is it possible that pedophilia is illegal?
     
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    For this law in particular maybe not but there are most certainly different degrees of sexual assault of a minor in some States depending on the age of the victim. Plenty of States do differentiate between teenagers and prepubescent children. For example in Florida if you're 23 or less and have sex with a 16 or 17 year old it's legal. If you're over 24 and have sex with a 16 year old it's statutory rape "unlawful sexual activity with a minor" which is a 2nd degree felony. If you have sex with someone 12 years old or younger (generally prepubescent) then you can get the death penalty.
     
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    All of which is a red herring to the point of whether pedophilia is illegal or if the law even cares about whether child sexual assault is done by a pedophile or not.

    Not directly. And who would want them to? If an actual death sentence is handed down, then automatic appeals and protections go into place. But just simply give them a sentence of X years, then you can just sit back and wait. WEG
     
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    This is true, however it doesn’t mean that we can’t make more laws about it and harsher punishments. I personally believe these people should receive the death penalty. I wish they would pass a law that done just that.
     
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    Suffice it to say of they put you in jail for it it is illegal.
     
  8. Maquiscat

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    I guarantee that you cannot find a single person who is in jail for pedophilia. Can you find someone in jail who has pedophilia? Sure, no doubt. But you will not find a single person who has been charged and convicted for pedophilia.
     
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    I think you''re arguing terminology here that I'm not disagreeing with...

    Pedophilia in itself is not illegal and I never said it was. Society in general tends to misuse the term in reference to anybody who engages in sexual activity with a minor which is incorrect. A 20 year old hooking up with a 16 year old isn't a pedophile. Now a 20 year old with an a 11 year old is a pedophile. The term pedophile is generally defined as the sexual attraction to prepubescent children, in order to even be able to engage in sexual activity with a prepubescent child one would first have to have sexual attraction to a prepubescent child which would make them a pedophile. So yes the law does sort of care whether the sexual assault is done by a pedophile or not because there are different penalties for child sexual assault depending on the age of the minor and only pedophiles engage in child sexual assault with minors under a certain age. It's semantics sort of, you aren't going to get a harsher penalty for being an adult who engages in unlawful sexual acts with a 16 year old teenager if it's discovered that you are also a pedophile. But only actual defined pedophiles do that stuff with children under the age of teenagers at which point you would get a harsher penalty.

    As for the second question who would want them to? I would want them to. If you're out here molesting prepubescent children then yeah I'm perfectly fine with the State sentencing you to death. Sentencing you to life without the possibility of parole in Gen Pop with no option for Administrative Segregation or solitary with your conviction permanently affixed to the back of your jumpsuit would work for me as well though.
     
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    Seemed like it there for a little, but OK, I'm good with that.

    I'm going to disagree with you on this one, at least as far as the point on being able to engage in sexual activity. I can come up with several situations in which child sexual assault could be inflicted upon a minor by an adult without pedophilia being in place. Most would likely be due to the adult being a sociopath or a psychopath. There are a few in which restricted mental capability would be involved.


    I think that you misunderstood my point on that bit. If you are sentenced to a death penalty you are watched a lot more closely than if you get even life in prison. And given that even in prison, there is a general level of "you don't cross that line", which means that actual child molesters have a low survival rate. So instead of bothering with the oversight of a death penalty and all that accompanies it, just send them to prison and make sure it slips out among the inmates. Let them do the work in less time, with less legal hassles.
     
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    Fair points, I believe we are on the same page here.
     
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    I am not against making more laws, but if we do make more laws, we need to be careful not to trample on that piece of paper called the Constitution, whether it is a state constitution or the federal constitution.
     
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    Nothing in the constitution prevents the state from making laws safeguarding children
     
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    And nothing in the amendments that takes away from safeguarding children.
     
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    You didn't read the article very well.

    Both unanimous votes came after amendments were made. So no the bill did not pass unanimously prior to the "stupid changes".
     
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    It changed what the penalties were, and what types of violations the infractions were. The did not, and was not intended to, create anything new.
     
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    What was the first vote? Think carefully.
     
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    I'm glad we agree that the OP mischaracterized the ordeal.
     
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    Isn’t that what I just said? The amendments are part of the constitution.
     
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    Unanimous AFTER amendments. So the first vote didn't go through without changes like you initially said. I quoted that from the article.
     
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    And how did the OP mischaracterize it? OP clearly says changed to a felony, not created a new felony.
     
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    Amendments to the bill in question not the ones for the various constitution. Many are complaining that they make.the bill no longer protecting children
     
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    There are 12,850 people in jail for child sexual offenses
     
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    And not one of them in jail for pedophilia. Quit changing what the charge is and show me someone in jail for pedophilia or a law that makes pedophilia illegal. You keep giving strawman arguments.
     

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