http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/farright-french-historian-78yearold-dominique-venner-commits-suicide-in-notre-dame-in-protest-against-gay-marriage-8625877.html All I can say is wow. Gee, I certainly hope this doesn't become a trend. Imagine if Fred Phelps and his clan decided to follow suit!
If morons want to off themselves because they are scared a gay couple is going to destroy their lives, I say good. Why should I care that some homophobic dip(*)(*)(*)(*) kills themselves?
People who commit suicide over something so stupid are morons and deserve nothing but distain and should only be remembered for their stupidity and cowardice.
I never said I was happy about Mr. Venner's suicide. I never knew the guy. BTW, that was supposed to be a winking emoticon but it is a terrible icon. I'm just thinking that the Westboro church may not be as serious as they say they are about their opposition to homosexuals. I mean, are they willing to give up their lives to support their cause?
Isn't suicide a sin in Christianity? How sad. It boggles the mind why some get so worked up over gay marriage.
"Man Commits Suicide to Protest Gay Marriage" sounds like religious nut throws away his life over nothing
No mentally stable person would end their life over something that doesn't affect them in any way. The guy clearly had other issues.
Was he religious? Because I am pretty sure killing yourself in a Catholic Cathedral like that shows quite a bit of disrespect not only for the Catholic faith, one of the most notable 'houses' of God, but also the Christian God himself. He sounds like he was disturbed to begin with though. Perhaps he was angry with his god for allowing the right for gays to marry to pass in France and so wanted to spite his deity? Who knows really. I am just speculating myself. They said they found a suicide note though but have yet to divulge the contents of it.
I have to agree with you on this.... but I will take it a step further and say I would think the person cowardice whether he shot himself in protest over gay marraige, or whether he shot himself in SUPPORT of gay marraige. I have a sneaky suspicision, however, that you would consider the guy a hero had he killed himself in SUPPORT of gay marriage. in true hypocritical fashion.
We already have plenty of people, mostly younger kids, killing themselves over homosexuality. There is nothing good about it and they are not heroic. There is only sadness at a world so petty and disgusting that it makes those kids feel so ashamed to be who they naturally are that death is the only solution they can come up with. I do not celebrate this man's death. I feel sorrow, mostly for his family. I feel sorrow that, if this man did indeed kill himself because gay people want to get married, we live in a world where that is even a possibility.
The circumstances could be different if it was an actual gay person affected by anti-SSM laws... such as someone whose same-sex partner gets forcibly deported because their marriage isn't valid on the federal level due to DOMA. Same-sex marriage has no real affect on the lives of opponents - only their egos.
The only reason that I think suicide is not a cawardly act is people who are suffering because of cancer, or some other painful terminal illness.
Have you ever felt suicidal before? Been so depressed and had suicidal thoughts? A lot of people who strongly oppose suicide give that argument, that it's the coward's way out, but I find that those who have not ever experienced deep depression and actually had suicidal thoughts don't really know what they're talking about. I have been there before and it took anti-depressant medication for two months just to bring me back to normal and make me not want to harm myself every single day.
Yes that is true, that is why you are supposed to start off on a low dose and keep contact with your physician. Still you did not answer my question, have you ever been there, so depressed that you just wanted to end your own life? Is that how you reached this conclusion that it's the coward's way out? From personal experience?
No, I came to that conclusion because the vast majority of suicide are people who think their familes will be better off without them. They think their families will be better off going through the trauma of having a close relative commit suicide, and have to pay for all of their final expenses.
Have you spoken with people who have thought of suicide and who actually said that or are you just speculating? I spent some time on a suicide forum when I was really depressed, it was a great place for me to discuss my issues and why I felt the way I did and I saw a lot of different reasons for people's desire to kill themselves, most of them were not the teenage angst of 'my family will be better off without me!', most of the people there were adults, a lot were in their elder years as well. Many people were struggling with debt, many felt trapped in their financial problems, there were plenty who felt trapped in an abusive relationship/marriage and saw no hope of getting out, as well as many who felt trapped in their jobs/careers that they hated. There were plenty more reasons than just 'my family will be better off without me'. A lot of it is seriously associated with deep depression as well and this feeling of being quite literally trapped in your problems, like you have dug a deep hole you see no way out of except to end it all. Often times when you tell suicidal people they are just being cowards you are doing more harm to them as well. My father said that to me when I tried to reach out to him and told him how I was feeling and how I was becoming concerned with the fact that I was constantly thinking of ways to injure or kill myself. It had gotten to the point where it wasn't just once a week I had a passing suicidal thought but a daily constant process in my mind. I was worried for my own well being and I recognized that this type of thinking was not normal or healthy for me at all, so I did what some people try to do and reached out for help. His negative and presumptive opinions about suicide and suicidal thoughts only hurt me more and made me feel like I had no one to talk to and no one to support me or help me get out of my depression. I ended up turning to medication which he also disapproved of but which ultimately rid me of my horrible suicidal thoughts within two weeks. After two months I felt ok with weening myself off the pills, I felt happier, I felt back to normal, I saw there was hope and a way to deal with my personal issues. I would have probably done something sooner though than suffer through this for eight months if my own father had actually tried to help me when I reached out to him instead of put me down and call me a coward instead.
