Manafort lied after pleading guilty, Mueller's team says

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  1. bx4

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    Read Mueller's indictments. Those were the underlying crimes. Not that you will ever accept it.
     
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    What are the crimes ?? Jonathan Kravis who is a lawyer for Mueller stated that it wasn’t necessary to prove a crime was committed before indicting the Russian citizens.
     
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    Let's see. Hillary left the State Department in early 2013. The statute of limitations is 5 years for federal crimes.
    Yep. About time for the Republican'ts to check in.
     
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    Who’s been convicted of perjury?
     
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    For the crimes he pled guilty to.
     
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    Their tax returns are on line. Check it out.
    Then we can go look at Trump's.
    Oh. Wait.
     
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    Cohen has just pled guilty of Perjury before congress.
     
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    Read the indictments.
     
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    That was in response to AFM who said there were no crimes. Perjury is a crime.
    Several people have already pled guilty to lying to Mueller or the FBI.
     
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    Don’t believe that was the charge
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lot's of "earned" income from producing what ??
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There were no crimes committed that were lied about. Get your story straight.
     
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    And there are no crimes actually proven as admitted by the Mueller team. Try reading them yourself.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawyer...ime-1539633257?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=3
     
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    Call it what you will. It was perjury.

    Statutory definitions[edit]
    Perjury’s current position in the American legal system takes the form of state and federal statutes. Most notably, the United States Code prohibits perjury, which is defined in two senses for federal purposes as someone who:

    (1) Having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or

    (2) in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true[31]
     
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    Speaking fees and books.
    Great gig if your good at it. :)
     
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    The Mueller tactics are one sided and geared towards a guilty plea under any and all circumstances:

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    Justice is not justice when it is not applied equally across the board. Double standard and it's endangering our Democracy.
     
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    I know what perjury is...but that's not what he took a plea for...here, read the Information filed with the Court...https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/29/politics/michael-cohen-plea-agreement/index.html

    The plea was to making a False Statement to Congress...
     
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    Not really. We should know what really happened. It's history. History matters.
     
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    There's your problem. You think there is a difference between saying something that is false and saying something that is not true.
     
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    Obstruction of justice, money laundering, collusion with Russia, violating oath of office, contempt of congress, witness intimidation, and more. The question is why you don't know this. And I think I know why. In the midst of all the breaking news yesterday about Cohen's guilty plea and his statements to Mueller and how it directly implicated Trump and his kids and aides, I kept looking in on Fox News. They were discussing the border.
     
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    There is no difference between saying something that is false and saying something untrue...but there is a difference between that and perjury
     
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    Cohen was under oath. That makes it perjury.
    Not that it matters.
     
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    Why wasn’t the charged with that?
     
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    Easier.

    How is perjury different from making false statements? To commit perjury, you have to be under oath, and you have to knowingly fib about something that’s relevant to the case at hand. (Your statement must also be literally false—lies of omission don’t count.) In contrast, you can break the false-statements law by lying about an issue that’s “within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government,” even if you’re not under oath. The false-statements law is worded so broadly that it can apply to almost any interaction a private citizen has with the government; in practice, it’s typically used against people who lie to federal investigators or who file false documents with government agencies.
     
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    So like I said, he didn't commit perjury.
     

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