Mandatory military service

So what exactly was your point in replying to my post about government force if you aren't talking about government force?

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Can you back that up with evidence?

 

If you want a government job or government benefits you should provide some public service after high school. I would even be fine with reserve duty for those in college. It is a long way from slavery.

 

Well, partly; many enlisted so as to be able to choose which arm of the military they served in instead of just relying on the lottery assignment. Some branches of course didn't have to take on many draftees, if any at all. 'Volunteers' as a percentage of recruits was high even with that incentive.

Don't have any snivels re the rest of your post, as it shows some thought, unlike many of the others here.

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Real life doesn't offer much at all re 'libertarian' fantasy constructs. Everybody serves some master or set of masters, even 'self-made' billionaires.

Why is it somehow more 'fair' for volunteers to bear the brunt of the unpopular work while others reap the bennies and sit around out in the Burbs whining about those who do feel some responsibility for serving? A draft would increase incentives to volunteer, as a matter of fact.

 

It's a matter of defending your nation and it's independence from outside control, not the 'state'; the 'state' is merely a means of financing and organizing. The military is for keeping foreign powers from invading and controlling the destiny of a nation and enslaving it for the benefit of their own nation. Of course, many have trouble making that distinction and develop confusing rationalizations. It's about 'borders, language, and culture' at the end of the day.

 

We would be chronically short of government employees and we'd have a lot of starving, homeless children in America if your plan was implemented.

 

Or people would serve for two years like they do in a lot of other countries.

 

How does a poor single mother in her late thirties with an unexpected pregnancy and a need for government services join the military for two years?

 

Why that person have to? This is for two years RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

 

Which she chooses at the time not to partake in. What happens then? Do her kids just starve and go homeless?

 

If you ask me, we have to damned many Government Employees.

At over 21 million, we have twice as many Government Employees as we do those in the manufacturing sector.

So how exactly is having less of them a bad thing? And once again with the starving homeless children. You are acting like there are no jobs available except for those in Government. And that people are not able to make a living unless the Government helps them.

Well, maybe she would not be in such a predicament if she made better choices in her life to start.

Give the baby up for adoption when it is born, for a start. Of course, odds are that a single mother in her late thirties would be unable to pass the induction physicals in the first place, a totally different matter.

Is this your answer to everything? Starving children?

If a parent has their children starving, then maybe the best solution would be to have them become wards of the state and adopted by somebody who wants kids and has made the right choices in their life. Instead of apparently somebody with no job skills who relies upon the Government for everything.

 

Being wards of the state would be a government benefit. So does that mean the children immediately have to serve 2 years or are they indentured servants once they become 18?

 

You do know lots of people in the military have kids? Don't you?

 

It's a horrible idea. When it happens during a war, people are placed into danger and have little choice but survive and play along. In peacetime, the rules are so different that the babies we see out on the streets crying over elections and seeking safe rooms would destroy the fabric of a disciplined military. Let them keep their safety pins and watch the pros from the sidelines. Not all are capable or willing...and it should stay that way. I would never have wanted some of the people I see today covering my six. The volunteer system works superbly in our country.

 

This person choose not to join the military at 18. What happens when circumstances down the road necessitate the use of government services?

 

Then she should have made better choices. I am actually fine with her getting food stamps and welfare because that is emergency stuff but any government employment at any level, or government loans or contracts she loses out

 

Government loans and contracts by and large go to corporations. How do corporations engage in mandatory military service?

 

A GREAT many government contracts go out to small businessmen. Loans include student loans, FHA loans, small business loans....etc.

 

So do corporations get a pass? Meaning I can just create an LLC and avoid any government service?

 

Indeed, and form a partially already trained reserve pool to draw from. Don't know if they still do but the Swiss and Koreans consider all able bodied to be their Reserves. And, there is nothing unconstitutional about having such requirements here, despite all the whining to the contrary; the Constitution does indeed provide for a militia.

 

Sure if you want to commit fraud. The law would apply to principal officers of any company

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Look the bottom line is this could be set up and enforced if we wanted. No one has to join. But if you don't there are consequences. Your choice

 

A minor snivel here ... giving a benefit for public service is an incentive, not a universal 'right'; not getting a benefit for not serving isn't a consequence, as it isn't a punishment of any kind, it merely means your choice of non-participation means you don't get something you didn't earn.

 

So what if a company gets a new CEO who hasn't served in the military? Like Lockheed suddenly gets a CEO who isn't even originally from America. Does that mean that they lose the F-22 contract and suddenly the US military has lost a much needed producer of equipment?

 

These are minor issues and easily resolved. Remove government contracts from the equation if you want. See....then its not much of a punishment....is it?

 

So now we've made exceptions for welfare and contracts when I actually bring real practical issues into the picture. How many more things are you going to concede won't work with your proposal?

 

Just those. So it sounds not too bad right. Glad we finally agree