Margaret Thatcher was a Great Prime Minister

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  1. Onward James

    Onward James New Member

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    Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher was a great Prime Minister, indeed. Also a great woman, in my opinion. Lord Christopher Monckton said she put "Great" back into "Great Britain".

    From 1979 - 1990 prime Minister Margaret Thatcher governed England with a majority Conservative government. Hence the people were fed up with the Labour Party, even union workers were fed up with their leaders. She cleaned up some of the socialist labour union messes caused by the elite in the unions. She successfully challenged the unions and turned Britain around. The countries of the word learned, especially Argentina, Great Britain was not to be taken lightly and pushed around.

    In her book "Statecraft" Prime Minister Thatcher stated she was fond of Rudyard Kipling's poem.


    What Say the Reeds at Runnymede - Rudyard Kipling

    (A poem commemorating the signing of Magna Carta
    Runnymede, Surrey, June 15, 1215)

    At Runnymede, a...t Runnymede,
    What say the reeds at Runnymede?
    The lissom reeds that give and take,
    That bend so far, but never break,
    They keep the sleepy Thames awake
    With tales of John at Runnymede.

    At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
    Oh, hear the reeds at Runnymede:
    'You musn't sell, delay, deny,
    A freeman's right or liberty.
    It wakes the stubborn Englishry,
    We saw 'em roused at Runnymede!

    When through our ranks the Barons came,
    With little thought of praise or blame,
    But resolute to play the game,
    They lumbered up to Runnymede;
    And there they launched in solid line
    The first attack on Right Divine,
    The curt uncompromising "Sign!'
    They settled John at Runnymede.

    At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
    Your rights were won at Runnymede!
    No freeman shall be fined or bound,
    Or dispossessed of freehold ground,
    Except by lawful judgment found
    And passed upon him by his peers.
    Forget not, after all these years,
    The Charter signed at Runnymede.'

    And still when mob or Monarch lays
    Too rude a hand on English ways,
    The whisper wakes, the shudder plays,
    Across the reeds at Runnymede.
    And Thames, that knows the moods of kings,
    And crowds and priests and suchlike things,
    Rolls deep and dreadful as he brings
    Their warning down from Runnymede!

    STATECRAFT
    http://onwardjames.blogspot.ca/2010/03/statecraft-margaret-thatcher.html

    Magna Carta
    http://www.britannia.com/history/docs/magna2.html
     
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    Monckton:

    In a 1987 article for The American Spectator entitled "AIDS: A British View", he argued that "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently." This would involve isolating between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States ("not altogether impossible") and another 30,000 people in the UK ("not insuperably difficult").

    Yes, a hereditary peer, detached from reality, who inherited his title and pretty much everything. Not a man who's opinion I would respect.

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    Monckton:

    In a 1987 article for The American Spectator entitled "AIDS: A British View", he argued that "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently." This would involve isolating between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States ("not altogether impossible") and another 30,000 people in the UK ("not insuperably difficult").

    Yes, a hereditary peer, detached from reality, who inherited his title and pretty much everything. Not a man who's opinion I would respect.
     
  3. Blackrook

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    If they had quarantined the AIDS carriers, a lot of lives would have been saved. I don't see a common sense argument against it.

    However, this is a thread about Baroness Margaret Thatcher and you are off topic. Please stay on topic.
     
  4. Leffe

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    Yes, I'm sure someone like you would happily see Americans, who's only crime was having a disease, quarantined for life. It makes sense considering your other views, but does beg the question (being as you seem so christian), "what would jesus do?".

    The entire premise of this thread is that Thatcher was great because Lord Christopher Monckton said so, therefore his general opionions are very valid and a reflection of her.

    Other people of note, who Thatcher was associated with would be General Pinochet, a brutal dictator, a man who killed his own people and a good friend of Thatcher, who she allowed to stay in Britain to avoid facing his war crimes in court. Yes, a great woman!

    Most US Right posters here know Thatcher for a few buzz phases which fit their own political agenda, but they fail to understand the full story.

    I suggest that those posters do a little more reading on this "great woman" and ask themselves if they truely want to be associated with the political ally of a brutal dictator and murderer of his own people?
     
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    "Great" is probably highly subjective and also relative. The finest PM Britain had, according to the Brits, was Clement Attlee. I think, for many reasons, Margaret Thatcher falls behind Attlee by a long way. So, is she "great"? To some, probably; to others, definitely not. It is possible to say though, fairly objectively, that she did transform British society. For good or ill is in the mind of the observer.
     
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    England needs a prime minister as much as Saudi Arabia needs a King, Syria needs Bashar Assad, or central North America needs Barry Obama. Join John Lennon and Imagine there's no countries.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bdivFHEIww
     
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    Are you sure? I find it very hard to believe it's not Churchill.
     
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    Thatcher was scum. She supports people like Saddam Hussein and then has the audacity to lecture others about freedom, terrorism and justice. And although I was against the Iraq war, I think the anti-war movement shames itself by whining about WMD or the lack thereof. The lies told don't invalidate the war. However, this line is too good not to post.

    “It is clear to anyone willing to face reality that the only reason Saddam took the risk of refusing to submit his activities to U.N. inspectors was that he is exerting every muscle to build WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction)”. - Margaret Thatcher, 2002.
     
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    Mrs Thatcher was a Great American Puppet, who destroyed Britain in the interests of her master, Reagan. I trust there is a Hell prepared for her.
     
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    The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children were thrilled when Thatcher turned up at their fundraiser with her pedophile pal Savile.
     
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    And who do you suggest leads Parliament,,, the Monarchy?
     
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    Well, not an American Quisling, perhaps? That would be a nice change, after 34 years of grovelling.
     
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    Ain't it funny how America and Americans love a lap dog.

    Think Little Johnny Howard.
     
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    I wouldn't say Churchill. He was a terrible peace time leader, a colonialist who supported British concentration camps in SA and admitted to shooting a "local" in his early days.

    Balls of steel during WWII however but not a great all rounder at all.
     
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    Churchill was good for Britain during WW2, but as soon as the war was over he was voted out.
     
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    That's not the point.

    "To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so."-- Pierre Joseph Proudhon
     
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    Thank you Onward James. I had never read that poem previously in this lifetime.

    I am 55 now and I personally remember P. M. Margaret Thatcher very fondly!
     
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    :roflol::roflol:

    she gained just over 30% of the votes - you call that a majority?
    WTF
     
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    Good post - and I see now that the German woman has taken up the baton of being the US president's whore

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    true, but don't forget - Jimmy was a job creator! :rolleyes:
     
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    Post edited due to gross insult.

    btw : how can a leader who sells their country out, be considered 'great'?
     
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    Yeah? I assume you didn't have to live under her 'government' of record unemployment, record high interest rates, record inflation, race rioting, the Poll Tax etc, etc. I did and I can tell you that it was only the wealthy or the terminally stupid who admired her in any way whatsoever. "Fondly" is not, I suspect, how the majority of Britons choose to remember her. I could only barely stop myself from dancing on the old b*tch's grave.
     
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    She was a disaster who led probably the most socially divisive government in British history. She closed our coal mines, destroying that industry, decimated our world-class shipbuilding and steel industries and basically screwed Britain over. And now we're importing coal and steel...
     
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    She was great for all the 'usefull idiots' out there - that's about it

    A populist leader that had a war save her skin, but the irony is that the year before she was dead set on decimating the navy - only the generals stopped her
     
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    I guess there is a war on women, but not from Republicans. So far one has called Margaret Thatcher a b****. Another has called Angela Merckel a whore and I can't even repeat what they've called Sarah Palin. In case you don't realize it, you are attacking them because they are WOMEN. Have respect. If you want to criticize a woman, do it on policies. There is no need to show that you live in the gutter.
     

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