Marines short 6 Infantry Battalions and the Navy short 100 ships.

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do get into long winded discussions about subjects I have little interest in. Now you are trying to drive the discussion into another long winded discussion I have no interest it.

    By the way, you know nothing about what matters to me.

    You indicated I would have fun talking to myself. Make it so.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can't make any sense of this post. What was a necessity ? - and no idea what you are trying to say with the rest.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It already is so - did you not notice ?
     
  4. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since there have been two more posts since you said it, no I can't see that I have noticed it.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    No it doesn't...you can't "buy" an infantry battalion, it's not a "thing" like a tank or a plane or something. It's a recruitment issue not a monetary one.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look harder.
     
  7. garyd

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    Economic war with China was a necessity. Without it there will be a shooting war in another decade.

    Russia is Saudi north with a better all be it still antiquated by US Standards tech base.
    Iran wishes to become regional hegemon, which rightfully scares hell out of everyone else in the region. Note Trump has largely secured peace in the region by replacing trade ties with Iran with Trade ties with Israel.
     
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    There will be no shooting war .. What are you talking about ? Regardless I never stated that Trumps blunder was the trade war with China - you are on a different page here.

    Trump did not secure anything in the region ? and what was replaced with what Trade with who was replaced.

    Again I can make no sense out of your post.
     
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    My Lord you can't be that obtuse. Trump has secured peace between the UAE, and others and Israel and opened up trade ties between Israel and those countries. This has made it possible for those countries to fully participate in US sanctions against Iran.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Spare me - Trump had nothing to do with the short term peace between Israel and UAE other than his undying love and devotion to Israel regardless - what does this have to do with the price of tea in China ?
     
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    Yeah right never mind that UAE isn't the only gulf state that is now at peace and trading with Israel. And it doesn't happen with out the Trump Admins end run around the Palestinian Road block granted the stupidity if Iran's insistence on nuclear weapons it doesn't need, and non stop desire to be regional hegemon didn't hurt anything.
    As for what it has to do with anything, it's all part of the same intricate puzzle.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does this have to do with China - Russia - eating our economic lunch ? I agree that this is a small piece .. more good for Israel than for the US .. but - it is one economic ally we can count on.. but this was always the case.. this deal brought a few of the Gulf States on our side.. but - they were already on our side under the El Saud Umbrella - our last stronghold in the ME

    but - what about the rest of the ME - that we have completely lost ? What about the big picture. You point out a tiny segment -- "Oh Look - a Win"

    This is not even a win - it is maintaining our position - but OK - better than losing - which we are doing most everywhere else in the Globe due to Trumps Massive Blunder. "Look Look" we won a pawn - ignoring the fact that the pawn was poisoned .. and you lost the queen on that hunt.

    Your love of Trump is blinding you to the national interest. The man was not perfect - this is a complicated chessboard - and hindsight is 20-20 - but we do have hindsight now - and this move turned out to be a blunder - and the El Saud Loves Israel moment does not change the rest of our ugly position on the board.

    Speaking of which though -- El Saud Loves Israel -- does this not strike you as at laest a little Orwellian ? - Especially when you factor in "THE MIDDLE EAST" and the US into the Equation.

    The nation that has - and still does as far as I know - in its curriculum - what little saudi children are taught - to hate Christians and Jews - and also other Muslims who do not share the extremist radical Islamist Ideology ..

    but hey .. perhaps I am just not seeing the glass as half full as you are :)
     
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    China us because we let them Russia isn't gaining some ground but not near as much as you think and the only reason they are gaining at all is the insane response to covid.
     
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    Certainly we aided China's rise - not just let them.

    It is a simple thing to look up Russia's economic numbers since the fall of the wall. Russia is doing much better than during the Reagan Era . as would be expected when you move from pure commie to some kind of free market economy.

    These are simple facts
     
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    Yes the are doing better, pardon the typo, they are still trailing us substantially But at the moment if the left ever manages their fossil free world pipe dream the Russian economy collapsed the next day. As I said earlier they are Basically Saudi with a better tech base. I do think there is some sort of deal that can be made with Russia. In the case of China I don't think so.
     
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    Look -as we go fossil free a good portion of the world economy collapses - this is of no benefit to the US .. and Russia will make out like bandits as the price of rare earths will soar through the roof .. be worth far more than the oil.

    Russia is not a big time economic player in any case - and their system of Gov't - while not perfect - is way better than China.

    Folks are way too myopically focused on demonizing our former enemy. There is no real military threat from Russia - and certainly not more than Pakistan - who also has nukes. There is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors going on here - Russia is not a big competitor to the US economically - especially on the technology front - which is the big game these days.

    We are upset at Russia because they - and others - are no longer allowing us free reign where ever we go - they are now a competitor w/r to military products and their missile technology is a serious problem. Not because of Russia using this technology on us - but because of other nations - who don't have nukes - getting access to this technology - as our Carriers are rendered obsolete by this technology in sufficient quantity.

    but this is digressing - this not only about Russia and China - this is about the huge number of economic competition - and our shrinking piece of the global economic pie.

    This nation has been on cruse control for way to long - one good thing Trump did was bring attention this issue - the illusion he sold however - that we could do something about it - was false.

    Oh sure .. we can tinker with things a little - but you don't repair decades long damage in one Term - or in one trade agreement - and 5 Trump terms - even if one wanted to .. would not be enough.

    Trump did not do much of significance - a few things but there was a whole lot more bluster than substance. "I defeated ISIS" ring a bell.

    Russia defeated ISIS - with help from Iran and Hezbollah and the Syrian Army. - not Heir Trumpenstein.
     
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    Better than having a president who does nothing when foreign leaders put bounties on the heads of our armed service men and women, and instead of holding them accountable, Trump just licks their arse.
     
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    Who put a bounty on our heads? Our unit hasn't been briefed on those facts. What is your source? The latest article says "US commander cannot confirm bounties were placed on soldiers heads".

    What is your source? I would like to read it so I can verify your claims.
     
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    It was very widely reported in many media sources. Do your own homework.
     
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    Same wide variety that later reported there was no "there there" to the story.
     
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    Are you refusing to cite the sources for your "claims"? It's a simple task. If you make a claim, cite the sources. I will do the same with any accusation.

    Once again, are you refusing to do so?
     
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    Now that I cited a source, can you please cite your source that proves Russians put bounties on our heads? You claimed it...now we deserve to see your "proof". Unless of course there isn't any proof.
     
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    It was widley cited in MANY news sources. Not just CNN. But since you have already provided the evidence, I see no need to continue to paste links.

    THe fact is this. I believe the news report. From MANY sources. But your not asking for "evidcence" in good faith and you know it, because you wont accept anything short of me personally witnessing Putan paying out some sultan and you know it. So dont pretend that your asking your question with any real goal in mind other than trying to shove it down my throat.
     
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    You cannot rebuild the military in just a few short years. Every time a Republican president starts to rebuild the military, a Democrat president comes in behind him and spends eight years shorting the military.
     
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