Hello, In the same time, american fertility rate plunge aswell. The traditionnal family and marriage is disappearing, feminists and MGTOW should be happy. And you what do you think of that ?
Well, with a degenerate like trump as their moral compass, what do you expect? Or it could just be that fewer weddings are taking place during the lockdown.
It's funny, because I hesitated to put "it's all the fault of donald trump" option in the poll, as a joke. And I didn't. Who is their ? As far as I know, traditionnal people, republican tend to marry more. Feminists, I doubt they consider D.Trump as their moral compass, MGTOWs ? A few of them are conservative, but most of them are libertarian and tend toward anarchism. The american marriage rate is falling apart for a long time, but yes, it started when D.Trump was born. He must have plotted against marriage since he was a toddler.
One factor is the population has grown fast, so there are more marriages just less per capita. Divorce has also increased in numbers on similar per capita charts.
President's have never been and never should be anyones moral compass.. That is not their role. To be a moral compass one would have to trample all over the first ammendment. Parents need to be the moral compass... But with everyone "imagining" a worldcwith no religion expecting there to be many moral compasses around is really kinda silly.
What about these? (Leaving politics out of it) Option 1). If laws treated both sexes equally the marriage rate might not have dropped so drastically. Many men have become weary of the disparity and are seeking relief by avoiding the commitment. Option 2). Women no longer "need" a man. Women's role and compensation in the workforce has given many women the ability to remain independent.
There is no great mystery here: Most marriages don't work and people are figuring that out. I have been a sugar daddy for 7 years now. Nothing illegal mind you, but certainly not traditional relationships... but in way very traditional. It is traditional in the sense that we agree to take care of each other. The most definitive aspect of the relationships I have is that they are finite. We both know from the start that this is not going to last. It might last a few months or a few years. In some cases these relationships can last ten years or more. But they are not forever. As a result, I can date women that would never consider me for traditional husband material. Most of women I've seen are in their twenties and all have been beautiful. Several have been smoking hot - Playboy centerfold quality. The attitudes I have encountered can be summed up in a conversation I had with one young lady. I asked if she ever plans to get married. "MARRIED?!?! My parents are divorced. My grandparents are all divorced. And they all hate each other. Why would I want to get married?!?!" From my side of things, my 25 year marriage nearly destroyed me. Obviously it was my fault for not getting out long ago. But I had these stupid ideas that marriage was forever, it was my duty, it is the path to a good life... blah blah blah. You also get in so deep that you can't imagine a way out. I had to be willing to lose everything to walk away. But the day after I put a gun to my head and tried to pull the trigger, I did walk away. In our 25 years of marriage, I guess we had a few good years. But in all it was a terrible experience and I wasted the best years of my life.
As silly as it sounds there is some truth to that. With all the crap available online there is little physical need for men to be in relationships. I'm guessing another 10 years and we'll really be discovering what a destructive force porn really is. I'm not saying that the internet is entirely to blame.. more a symptom.. but a deadly one. People misunderstand what marriage is, they say it's about compromise, bologna, it's about sacrifice!!! It's about the man, yes, the man giving up everything to serve his wife. Don't like it? Tough! Don't get married then, and don't use women for sex.. That's what it means to be a man.. supress your desires and do what's right. And when you learn how write a book so i can get better at it too.
I'm interested in the mgtow phenomenon even if I'm not one myself. One of the biggest and most recuring grievance I heard was about the alimony system. I must admit I have been quite shocked to learn how divorced men were treated, and from my point of view, divorced men who have to pay life time alimony, are just under a form of modern slavery. And some slaves under the roman empire were better treated as they had to be fed and could buy their freedom back. Clearly, from what I know of the court system in the USA, I would never marry under american law.
look at the graph in post #3, then read the history of the internet: http://www.netvalley.com/archives/mirrors/davemarsh-timeline-1.htm 1971 people began communicating on a network/internet 1973 the start of the global internet 1977 email all the the eighties the internet expanded exponentially and home computers were all the rage... the two phenomena line up perfectly, and it's not about porn, it's about becoming anti-social in the real world, that is the greatest 'gift' that the internet gave humankind... no physical contact...
Simple family experience might be a determining factor. Kids see their parent's marriage dissolve and they think marriage is a joke. My parents were married for over 60 years. My brother has been married 30 years, still going strong My sister has been married 28 years, still going strong. I've been married 28 years, still going strong.
With the divorce rate being what it is, I'm thinking that a lower marriage rate is only a reactionary measure. Do you have statistics on the numbers of people living together, having children together outside of marriage?
So cohabitational parenting has doubled since 1997, and 65% of children are living with married parents. I don't think we need to worry about kids in this equation. It all comes down, then, to people not getting married anymore. I don't, honestly, see a huge problem with that.
The fertility rate of USA is around 1,78. Largely under the replacement rate (2,1) it's a big issue, but not a total disaster yet. A declining population is a major issue for countries, as it create a poor ratio of inactive to active. I'm quite worried of countries like Italy and Spain that are a total disaster, very few youth with a large debt is clearly one of the worst possible equation for a country. A declining fertility rate is a complexe problem for any country. It remain a manageable problem at that rate, but for me it's among the issues that the USA would be an extremly declining nation over the years. If that fertility rate still decline, it would be a major disaster.
And in fact more prefer NOT to have a man in their lives and purposely choose to have children with a man in their life, a Dad thinking Dad's are not needed and in fact better without one in a child's life. Our poor future generations.
Our culture will will disappear with marriage. Look at African America culture or what’s left of it. Families are destroyed for the most part. Violence. Poverty. It’s a mess.
