Martin Luther King: WHEN TWO PROPHETS BUILT AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN BLACKS AND JEWS

WHEN TWO PROPHETS BUILT AN ALLIANCE BETWEEN BLACKS AND JEWS:

When People Criticize Zionists They Mean Jews, You Are Talking Antisemitism” Martin Luther King Jr, A proud unapologetic Zionist.

'More exact words were never said. They were told by the great civil rights leader, The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., the American hero whose life and dream of please and equality America celebrates on Monday, January 16trh. Dr. King was a strong supporter of Jewish Issues. He fought for the freedom to observe all faiths, was a proud unapologetic Zionist and fought to release the Jews trapped in the Soviet Union.'

The Jews trapped in the USSR suffered terribly.

'One of his closest allies and friends was Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, a Polish-born American Conservative rabbi considered one of the leading Jewish theologians and philosophers of the 20th century. He was a leader of the civil rights movement. In many pictures of 1960s civil rights protests, including the famous one in Selma, the Reverend and Rabbi marched close together in the front line. The two great men of faith forged a close alliance between the African American and the American Jewish Leadership. Each one called the other a prophet.'



'Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel marched with Martin Luther King Jr. on the road to civil rights. Reverend Dr. King marched with the Jews on the way to a secure Israel.'

It was said that the first conference on religion and race was held between Pharaoh and Moses. That led to the Exodus, Pharaoh hasn't capitulated and for too many the full covenant of The Promise Land is yet to be gained.



These two great men heard the same voice, spoke the same message of peace, hope and love, an example to all of us.

At the same time 'Kanye West is nuts, and so is the guy who sucker punches a Hasid in Brooklyn. They hear the same noise—and each other.'

https://instapundit.com/563915/

As we move into MLK weekend and rest to reflect on his achievements on Monday, how can help continue in the truths that he spoke, how can we connect with Him who spoke these truths to him and how can we be on guard against the noise of the haters?

 

Both of these great men in their speeches independently chose to quote the same passage from the book of the prophet Amos where Amos describes a vision of a world where “Let righteousness roll down like waters and justice like a mighty stream.”

They met at the conference afterwards and became lifelong friends and allies.

'Sadly, after Reverend King was assassinated, some of the new African American leaders felt the Jews were not their allies but their competition.'

 

MANY OTHERS ARE SEEING SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT: ‘I see love and strength:’ King family delivers powerful speeches as Embrace memorial honoring MLK is unveiled.

“I love this monument,” she said. “I see the love and strength and unity in these hands and how they symbolize a beautiful marriage and partnership. It was one that changed the world.”

'At long last, the 20-foot tall, 40-foot wide monument — five years in the making — was officially unveiled Friday during a two-hour ceremony near the common’s 1965 Freedom Rally Plaza, the site of the memorial.'

'More than 1,000 people — many local and state officials, representatives and community activists and leaders — attended the celebration that featured songs and speeches, including powerful remarks from the King family.'

'The $10 million bronze sculpture, designed by Mass Design Group and American conceptual artist Hank Willis Thomas, depicts a photo of the couple hugging after MLK won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964.'


Hugging it out.

 

are you saying that critiques of the state of israel imply antisemitism because zionists are jews?

all zionists are not jews, in fact many of the statesmen who allowed israel to be created did so to keep jews out of america and the uk. evangelicals support israel only to fulfill the prophecy that those jews who do not convert will suffer awful tribulation in the imminent end times.

the 1940s united nations vision of a secular israel and an international jerusalem where all people and religions could sing kumbaya may never come to pass, but opposing the current situation and encouraging better relationships between all people of that area is still the right thing to do.

 

Where did you see in @Zorro's post anything about critiques of the state of Israel? Anti-Zionism is not critique of the state of Israel, and it's usually rooted in antisemitism.

History shows that Israel, contrary to the widespread narrative about benevolent world powers helping poor Jews, wasn't allowed to come into existence by said world powers. The only country in the world that helped baby Israel in its war of independence was the USSR via Czechoslovakia, not because communists loved Zionism, but because Jews were seen as useful pawns against British power in the Middle East. The American weapons embargo, or the fact that the Jordanian army fighting against Israel was trained, armed, and led by British officers, are not exactly proof of said countries allowing Israel anything.

The 1940's United Nations' vision of Israel was a minuscule state the size of a postage stamp, that wouldn't have been able to survive even in time of peace. That vision, by the way, contradicted their own Mandate for Palestine to the UK.

I get why you wouldn't listen to Zionists, or evangelicals, but I don't get why you wouldn't listen to Martin Luther King Jr.

 

The things we tolerate, and the flexibility of our judgment- does not speak well for us. MLK is an example of our duplicity, our willingness to let popularity define truth.

Facts about MLK:

He didn't write the dissertation for his doctorate degree- he stole it, used another mans work. Under normal circumstances, that would invalidate his doctorate degree. It did not.

He didn't write his famous "I have a dream" speech either. He stole that too, from another minister. The man who actually wrote it- forgotten by history.

While his wife Coretta stayed home, MLK on the road had staff people finding him prostitutes and willing women for motel orgies.
Usually, more that one at time. Booze and drugs were typical- and violence, beating up the women apparently was too. Rape as well, amusing to MLK to watch.

The MLK library eventually acknowledged that much of this was true...
So, we named freeways, parks and landmarks after him, put up statues and made a national holiday of his birthday.

Seems we aren't really very particular about perfection, just about popularity.

 

I've seen a lot of smear jobs on a lot of people and seldom find them convincing, the smears and slanders of MLK is one that I find wholly unconvincing. I feel deeply blessed by his work and message and view him as one of the finest religious leaders that America has produced in the modern era.

 

Anyone that sees 'judaism' and 'zionism' as synonymous needs to read the definitions of the two. Anyone who sees 'anti-semitism' and 'anti- Israeli' as synonyms is ignorant. Anyone who sees 'pro-Israeli' as necessarily coinciding with the current Israeli govt military and political goals is a fool.

 

MLK was spouting nonsense. Criticizing Zionism does not make you anti-Semitic. It was a foolish statement.

 

Do your homework then- stop looking at what he said, look at where he got it and what his actions were when he wasn't posturing for greatness.
The stories on this come from major national newspapers, research institutes- many highly respected sources, and they generally all acknowledge at least key parts of this. Other of course deny it, but that doesn't stand up to the substantiated facts.

One of those sources least in question is the FBI, which had tapped his phone and planted bugs- recording actual events. Here's some of the content from a book covering some of that information, with specific quotes from the FBI data. Nobody's perfect, but some people are very much like Jekyl-Hyde characters. I personally don't think such people should ever be role models. This comes from David J. Garrow, a left-wing scholar and Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer of King.

"Garrow presents all of this information in his May 30 article, “The troubling legacy of Martin Luther King,” linking to numerous FBI source documents. He relates how in one instance that took place in January 1964, King and friends went to visit in a wire-tapped hotel room in Washington with a fellow minister, Logan Kearse, who a brought “several women ‘parishioners’ of his church.”

“‘The group met in his [Kearse’] room and discussed which women among the parishioners would be suitable for natural or unnatural sex acts. When one of the women protested that she did not approve of this, the Baptist minister immediately and forcibly raped her,’ the typed summary states, parenthetically citing a specific FBI document (100-3-116-762) as its source. ‘King looked on, laughed and offered advice,’ Sullivan or one of his deputies then added in handwriting,” writes Garrow, quoting from the FBI transcripts.

Garrow relates another instance when King and company participated in a “sex orgy” with 12 people at another wire-tapped hotel.

“At the Willard Hotel, King and his friends’ activities resumed the following evening as approximately 12 individuals ‘participated in a sex orgy,’” he writes, quoting the FBI material. FBI agents described what they witnessed as “acts of degeneracy and depravity.”

“When one of the women shied away from engaging in an unnatural act, King and several of the men discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect. King told her that to perform such an act would ‘help your soul,’” states the FBI document.

“King announced that he preferred to perform unnatural acts on women and that he had started the ‘International Association for the Advancement of ***** Eaters’,” the FBI transcript states. "

There is no question that King motivated a lot of people, and was powerful in his messages. But people we should emulate, whose values should be our models- have to live those values for them to be more than showmanship, playing to the camera and chasing celebrity status.

If we are to become a better society- we need a higher standard for our role models than this. We can delude ourselves- but that does not improve us, it degrades us.

 

I'm not interested. I know the impact he had on my life and this nation and I'm grateful for his service to the Gospel and the advancement of Civil Rights.

 

Your privilege of course. My feeling is that MLK was an example of how you can become famous and celebrated at the same time you trample the values you say you stand for. I consider that a very poor role model. To take value from that, you have to ignore half of it- and most people can't do that well. The other half always becomes justification at some point. If a person you think of as great did this when people weren't watching- then it's ok to emulate that when people aren't watching. Do what I say... not what I do teaches people to do the same thing, and tell themselves it's righteous.

 

I don't buy any of that. MLK is revered for the incredible good he accomplished, nothing else.

 

Truth is truth. You can selectively believe part of it, and no one can make you do otherwise. But the person you deceive by doing that- is you. How we deal with truth is a choice of course- but I think the worst way is to say the part you don't like doesn't exist. You can choose to say it doesn't matter to you and still know it. That keeps your facts straight, and your choices honest. Just my opinion, what I must do with facts like this.

 

Fake news, I'm undeceived. He was a great man, and Servant of Christ, and we live in a better nation because of his life's work.



America's Unifying Message: “Liberty and justice for all”

“All that I do in civil rights, I do because I consider it part of my ministry,” he said. “I have no other ambitions in life but to achieve excellence in the Christian ministry. I don’t plan to run for any political office. I don’t plan to do anything but remain a preacher.’

In the early 1960s, King’s rhetoric became more focused on the spiritual identity of America. In his famous Washington speech, he went straight for the spiritual' root. '“When the architects of our great republic wrote the magnificent words of the constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

“I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.”



He moved mountains with nonviolence: King would quote Abraham Lincoln by asking “Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?”

For 'King, the only route to true peace is through non-violence, and forgiveness. Loving your enemies, he said, is the hard part of the Bible.'

Today is a good day to reflect on all this.

 

Right. And the taped recordings from the FBI are just imaginary. Reflect on that too.

All the corrupt leaders in history have wrapped themselves in righteousness. It's the way you get people to defend you no matter what you actually do or are in reality.

JFK's father, Joe Kennedy was a senior political guru- His advice was "Who you are doesn't matter. What people think you are determines what happens".

He's speaking of the way that the illusion, rather than the reality, becomes the image of the person- which of course is how corrupt people get power. and keep power.

Little more powerful than to associate yourself with peoples religious beliefs.

JFK's wife Jackie has a bit to say about MLK too...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...mage-Martin-Luther-King-sex-party-claims.html

 

This is the Hoover FBI? Weird that you would consider them a reliable source when history has shown that the myth of the FBI has never reflected the reality of the FBI, which is the point you are trying to make about MLK but seem very hesitant to apply to the Corrupt FBI.

I rejoice that the Good Lord can bring such a message of peace through even the most unfit of vessels and it's that message that I honor.

What MLK's Final Campaign Tells Us About His Legacy

In The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr. he describes, in 1966, moving his 'family into a tenement apartment in one of the poorest communities in Chicago. King wanted to help organize a broad, nonviolent movement that would attack “ghetto” segregation and the systemic exclusion of Black Americans from white neighborhoods.' And again, King’s tactics were nonviolent social change.'


Uniting in prayer.

As they peacefully united in non-violent resistance to injustice and hate, the nation watched in horror as the 'police clubbed the heads of John Lewis and others on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, watched by millions on television, accelerating the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.'

From the South ventured north to Chicago and 'planned marches, rallies and other confrontations, what would become known as the Chicago Freedom Movement. Their goal was to enable Black Americans to move out of dilapidated tenements, access opportunity elsewhere, and to transform all social institutions to include them and make upward mobility real for all people.'



You denigrate his character, but the Lord saw in MLK a man with the conviction and courage to peaceably resist even in the face of a corrupt cop with a gun and a badge, capable of bringing a hardwood club across his face with all his strength. If the Lord called you to that service in His cause, would you answer in submission to His will? In my opinion few of us would and such people are a rarity, MLK was one of these rare men.

Would you submit your family to these forces of hate in order to try to bring about a more just society? MLK 'moved his family to North Lawndale, then a West Side locale of poverty that was more than 90 percent Black and minutes from the white suburban sundown town of Cicero, which had violently repelled Blacks.'

'King’s Lawndale neighbors paid more in rent or purchase price for wretched housing than whites paid for modern homes in the suburbs. They paid more for consumer goods. They could not leave Lawndale, nor could they access jobs that were elsewhere. This social system, a “ghetto prison” or a domestic colony, was in many ways more resistant to change than the caste system SCLC had attacked in the rural south. And yet King and others in the Chicago movement had the audacity to try.'

And that's why we honor Martin Luther King on this day. He not only tried, he advanced our national commitment to the truth that "All are created equal."

 

Martin Luther King, in peaceful resistance and with good manners, faced down the forces of evil and hatred in his day, and because of his work and dedication, we live in a more just society today:

THE TIME TO CHANGE TO A MORE JUST SYSTEM IS NOW:
“Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy, now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all God’s children,” he said. As they had in Birmingham and Selma, they would seek change through nonviolent confrontation between those that resisted and those that demanded change. They organized, including recruiting Black gang members to lay down their arms and join their nonviolent cause. They marched in white neighborhoods and were met with bricks, bottles, swastikas, firecrackers and chants of “white power.” At a march through Marquette Park on the South Side, as thousands of whites tried to thwart nonviolent marchers, a stone struck King’s head, and he knelt with supporters. In the interlude, King said before cameras that he had “never seen, even in Mississippi and Alabama, mobs as hostile and as hate-filled as I’ve seen in Chicago.” Then they continued to march."

One foot in front of the other, they continued: Have you been staggered by a hard hit to the head by a thrown rock because you were standing up to hateful mobs, with good manners and non-resistance and a relentless message that an unjust system must give way to our founding principles of Equality Under The Law?


Martin Luther King Staggers After Being Hit In The Head With A Rock.

Martin Luther King's work here 'inspired the Fair Housing Act of 1968 that would be passed only in the wake of King’s assassination. King’s radical vision of humans of all colors working together to replace residential caste with communities of love and justice may seem quaint or naïve. But the legal imperative to “affirmatively further fair housing” continues and well as 'that work at inclusion and racial justice.'

Martin Luther King 'did not give up on the radical Christian ideal of redemption and agape love in which former enemies might become friends.'



We continue to march toward His Dream.

 

There is no such thing as race.

Never in our wildest dreams did we believe that academia would be used 'to promote racial essentialism and racial separatism.'

As racial theory adjust to the obvious fact that it has no basis in biology it is now moving toward claiming to be a cultural identity in order to retain power as a concept despite having no basis in biology.

'Science (in the mid-1930s) gave up the idea that black blood from white blood, it was forced to give up the idea of essentialism that traditional racialists relied upon to separate the races. The “one drop rule” was once a commitment to the idea that black blood made a difference to the intrinsic identity of the person who “carried” that blood in his/her veins, which can only be of concern to those committed to the idea that white blood differs in some important way.'

If race is just culture, and culture is not a fixed characteristic, what's the big deal? Well, for separatists and grifters for whom racial division is a payday this is a real problem because if culture is a choice, then people can make different choices and they may choose to walk away from the entire pile of nonsense, so, the concept they are pulling in to shore up the collapsing paradigm is "heritage".

Well, people don't have an inherent knowledge of heritage, this is learned, which means it must be taught, and therefore we now have all these folks telling others who they are!


Some Democrats still cling to the concept that they own the allegiance of some other people.

So, if race isn't real, culture is a choice, and heritage is learned and 'you are a black child adopted into a white family, what is it that makes you black? If the answer is heritage, then your identity presumably depends upon which heritage your adopted parents choose to teach you, or which you ultimately choose to teach yourself. But how does your learning your black heritage (assuming this is what you choose to do) count as your having learned your true heritage? That is, what is it that makes a particular heritage yours to learn to begin with?'

From here we start to hear about "Group Memory"

This claims that a particular past is your past. 'But how do you go about “remembering” something you’ve never actually experienced? How do “memories” of a non-experienced past count as memories at all? And more importantly, what is it that differentiates your “memories” of a particular past from someone else’s “knowledge” of a particular past? Can a young Jewish boy really “remember” the Holocaust any better than a ninety-year old German woman who worked around the camps? Can a young black girl really “remember” slavery? Do modern-day Texans really “remember” the Alamo? Or is what’s happening here simply a matter of your remembering having learned a pre-chosen history in order to claim it as your own?'

This boils down to race is either essence or illusion. But, there are those who 'need to continue the project of racial identity', for politics and graft.

What's important are the choices and character not our innate characteristics.

 

If that were true- there would be no difference in Dobermans and Chihuahuas. There are differences in races of people that are obvious, so they do exist.
If it makes you feel better to change the words, use "breed" of something instead of race- have at it. That changes nothing either.

What is wrong is to associate characteristics with different groups of people that are not specifically common to them. While hair color isn't a race, we have the "dumb blonde", the "short tempered redheads" and so on. Comedy lines, not taken as universal truths.

But like it or not, you identify the difference between a Doberman and a Chihuahua by characteristics- primarily physical size and shape, but also by typical attitudes and abilities. Like it or not, this true in all creatures. We all have characteristics that put us in groups. Some of those characteristics are physical, and not in your control- if you have blue eyes, it's not because you chose them. But other characteristics are in our control. And- you can chose them. Specifically, you can choose your conduct, make yourself as good or bad a person as you wish. I hold you responsible for that- because it IS a choice, it IS within your power, and it is not within mine. You don't get to say- "I do this because you do that, so it's your fault". And it's not what happened to people of your group 200 years ago, or 50 years ago- it's what you, and the group you are part of- decide to do today.

If black dogs bit people ten times as often as brown dogs, you would quickly learn to avoid black dogs. You would be stupid to ignore that- not magnanimous or caring for ignoring it, just stupid.
That would lead to a negative perception of all black dogs. NOT because they were black, but because dogs with those characteristics were more dangerous. They EARNED that perception.
Ignore it- at your peril.

We create our characteristics. If they are generally the same as the society we live in- we don't stand out or present any need for extra caution. IF they are out of proportion for any group- let's say people with blue eyes were substantially more violent and likely to assault you- the segment of people with blue eyes would ALL be treated with caution. Even though it may not be true for them all, the predominance will apply to the judgment of any rational person.

At the same time- if any group with specific identifying characteristics raised their conduct level to better than the norm, they would be in demand, rather than subject to caution. What we do makes the perception of what we are. If every black person a company hired turned out to b outstanding- they would be actively looking for more black employees. You do the same thing i many areas. You may believe that Hondas are much more reliable and less expensive to maintain than other brands so you own Hondas. EARNED reputations.

Denying this applies to racial groups doesn't change a thing, it's simple logical and observable truth. I've known some really fine black people. I don't think black people are genetically inferior, and never did. But I do think the black culture is such that it handicaps them, creating a disproportionate share of behavioral problems among them, and that is not in societies power to change. Only the black community can do that. It must commit itself to that goal, and it will take a long time. So far- they are reluctant to acknowledge it, let alone address it. Nobody else can. The efforts to remove all aspects of racism have been a dedicated objective since for 60 years, and it's been broadly accomplished, and gone far over-board in many places.

It seems the more society concedes and agrees to the ongoing guilt-trip and claims of systemic racism from the black community, the more of the black community buys into it too; agrees their problems are all caused by others, who are to blame for their choices to remain where they are today - and then demand even more. Hogwash. Not earned, not deserved. Doing so will only make matters worse- and resurrect real racism. It's already growing, and the black community is responsible for it.

You can deny it, but legitimate statistics will shoot you down every time. So long as it's denied, it will persist... and grow. Nothing could be worse for the black community.

You of course are not going to listen to facts or common sense, you have taken a position and closed your thinking. Your choice; your problem- not mine.

 

What taped recordings? The most damning pieces of alleged evidence - cheering on rape and unnatural sex - are not recorded on tape, even though the FBI wiretapped every meeting. The stuff about the rape was added in handwriting, as an afterthought.

Even Jackie Kennedy didn't hear tape recordings. She was shown a written document.

Hoover was obsessed with MLK. I very much doubt the veracity of at least the worst accusations.

 

Is that something the squad told you?

 

Anyone who cares about Judaism and Zionism not being synonyms should answer a few questions regarding other religions of other nations. For instance: Buddhism and nationalism are not synonymous, yet majority Buddhist countries exist. Islam mandates the existence of one large happy Islamic caliphate, yet distinct Muslim majority countries exist. Do you think that Buddhism and Islam are incompatible with nation states, too? After all, these are not synonymous terms, you know...

Define "anti-Israeli".

I can assure you that most Israelis agree with the above statement. No one criticizes Israeli governments more fiercely and passionately than Israelis themselves.

 

Criticizing Zionism does not make you antisemitic, but only antisemites criticize Zionism (I exclude extremist Jewish anti-Zionist groups - Neturei Karta and Satmar).

Denying Jews, and only Jews, the right to have their own country as a nation, is antisemitic. Denying Jews the right to assert that the Jewish nation needs conditions to develop and protect itself (which is what Zionism actually is), like every other nation in the world, is antisemitic. Denying Jews the right to support a movement that seeks to develop and protect the Jewish nation, is antisemitic.

Criticizing some aspects of certain Zionist movements is not inherently antisemitic, of course, but being against Zionism as a whole is antisemitic.

 

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