Marxism for Super-Experts

To continue the Marxist thread legacy started by my contemporary Daft Punk, I have decided to lay bare the ORGINAL intentions of Marxism. Yes, many on this esteemed forum have argued for a renewed perspective on the tenants of Marxism and for good reason. It had been hijacked by Stalinist dogma and Cold War Paradigms; reduced to the insulting comparision of Marxism = Totalitarianism

However, to effectivily break these shackles I will begin by saying the following:

Bolshevism is not Marxism. It is an ideological affirmation of Leninism, was a philosophy developed to be applicable Russian revolution in an intrinsically semi-feudal society. Therefore, the mutation that wrought a degenerated workers state upon the otherwised oppressed populace of Russia bred from this intial break from Marxism.

Marxism, in this regard, represents the opposite of Party Fetishism. It doesnt advocate the creation of a select few* or a single authortative body of central planning. It is the destruction of these archaic structures of Bourgeios society.

Parlimentary, decentralized & communal governance still remains to be the only true affirmation of Marxism as witnessed in the Paris Commune of 1871.

"The Commune was to be a working, parlimentary body, executive and legislative at the same time. Instead of continuing to be the agent of the Central Government, the police was at once stripped of it political attributes, and turned into the responsible and at all times revocable agent of the commune. So were the officials of all other branches of the Administration."
- The Civil War in France
Karl Marx

Marxist-Leninsm & Stalinism established the opposite of what Marx lauded as "The Triumph of the Paris Prolitariet". It established immovable state bureaucracies and ominipresent police forces.

Bolshevism creates and leads to Totalitarian dictatorship while True Marxism does not.

 

I've heard all these excuses before.

 

Excuses?

Truths. Fool.

 

Who do you work for? Barrack Obama? China? Russia? The UN? I find your posts suspect...

 

None of those mentioned stand for true Marxism (I am not a marxist).

 

This is nuttiness. HUMAN SOCIETY CANNOT OPERATE AS A DIRECT DEMOCRACY WITH VOTING CONTROL OVER MEANS OF PRODUCTION.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE HUMAN BEINGS ARE GREEDY LITTLE ANIMALS WHO WILL DESTROY ANY SUCH SYSTEM. You will always have individuals who will corrupt the direct democracy for their own personal gain. You cannot train that instinct out of everyone and you can't use tyranny and force to prevent them from engaging in.

PROFIT SEEKING IS A NATURAL INSTINCT THAT CANNOT BE INHIBITED BY SOCIAL TRAINING.

 

So if someone is our enemy they need to support implementing their form of government here? Why can't it just be that they simply know marxism is a failed ideology they want the USA to fail?

 

Pathetic

You have no hope within your own being thus you doom your self to an existance of ravanous hunger.

Right now, the market system that spans the globes is metophorically related to the freastrooms & vomitariums of the Roman Empire.

"Eat & Eat & Eat-Get Violently Ill-Vomit-Go back to Eat."

[Accumulate Capital-Inherently Disrupt the System-Market Collapse. Accumulate Capital Again]

If you believe DECADENCE is sole purpose of the human condition then you debase us all to the mir purpose driven rodent.

Humanity, good sir, deserves better than you.

 

Hah.

I have no time for the political posturing of a Free-Market Puppet. However Ill indulge you this one time.

I have varying interests that do not necessarily coincide with you ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Marxism has not failed because it has not been tried since the Paris Commune. [Which was a Democratic Workers Council]

Bolshevism Fails because it creates a Prolitariat Slave State. Dictatorship and Totalitarianism is on thewrong side of history.

Democracy is, however, Marxist Democracy consituits the greatest affirmation of social justice.

 

I did not say that at all. Again none of them are actual Marxists.

 

Well to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bad, I'm here and I'm one of the people standing in your way of a world communist government. I keep HOPING and PRAYING you people launch of revolution within my active lifetime. I would LOVE to kill a few commies for my mommy.

I'm 100% through and through American Bourgeoisie and I dare you to try and take it away from me.

 

Friend, you harbour extreme and misguided beliefs that leftists (or anyone who discusses far left ideologies) is hell bent on world domination. With such thinking it is impossible to see (no offence) reality and engage in a rational discourse.

 

Pray! Cling to your futile manerisms of Bourgeois dominance!

Joking...


Democracy and freedom to work and own your own product rather than taking the role the exploiter will be you destiny as well. You are just entrapped as the prolitaret, yet you are guilty of perpetuating the system. Morality, however, in a democractic workers council will be extended to all.


That is true Marxism

 

You're right. I have no rational discourse when it comes to Communism. I was raised during the Cold War when actual communists had nukes pointed at me. I remember what it was like.

Unfortunately younger people don't remember that Communism was tried on a worldwide scale and it failed miserably and lead to nothing but horror, tyranny and mass death.

Now we have "reformed" communists, who call themselves social Democrats now, trying to push the same economic garbage on the USA that they have since 1950.

I'm old enough to remember that I've read ALL OF THIS BEFORE DECADES AGO. It is nothing new or fresh under the sun. We Americans have heard all this before and we rejected it, violently.

 

Bravo. Well Said.

 

As an American myself I can attest to have been misguided by such bitter ideologs such as yourself.

Wake Up and read something not hijacked by Stalinism and Leninism.


Communism and Democracy are inextricably linked!

 

I don't believe in direct democracy, I believe in the Republic and the Flag for which it stands.

 

You and my republic is lie, especially in world of Corporate Lobbying. The Working class cannot compete with the Bourgoeis competition for representation.

Who Won out in Wisconson???

Direct Democracy through decentralized, NON-STATE, workers councils.

Social Justice imbued in the facbric of political reality.

The Glory of Marxism

 

Then you are a traitor who needs to take your poor english and go back where you came from. Our Republic is the greatest instrument of Governance ever thought of by humans to this very day.

It is the nature of the unwashed masses to tear down those above them.

 

I don't mean to insult you friend, but your statements are blind and extreme.

 

True Marxism. There's a problem, and it's what most -isms suffer from without the trappings of a Constitutional Republic girding them:

Whatever is true or pure about it is really meaningless. The term 'true' or 'pure' demands that the participants do not fall victim to illicit aspects of human nature: notably the desire for power and control

It just so happens that Marxism, Fascism, Socialism and Communism provide a scaffolding that would only work in the ideal. All are far too easily co-opted for those who would seek power.

And that zeal for power manifests itself in genocides and economic atrocity.

Which is why it has never worked; which is why true Marxism - or really any other true -ism is an untenable oxymoron. What distinguishes them is the degree to which they can be co-opted.

 

Friend,

It is that blind obedience to authority and hostility to the masses that sounds a little totalitarian itself. You criticize the authoritarian stances of others when in reality, you cannot accept dissent.

 

Thanks Friend.

 

Disagree.

The "illcit" aspects of human nature, as seen through the current pespective of Bourgieos dominance, was conjured up through a mutated merger between feudal religiosity, and realitic failings of the capitalist mode of production.

Its the same question that the cavemen asked themselves when looking at the sky.

"Why?"

Mystical interpretations fused with Capitalist Opperession has created this ultimately insulting view of the human condition.

We are not animalistic. We are not by nature, avaricious.

What Marxism provides is a Rennissance in Human thought in regards to the potential for social and economic justice on a societal level. What he signifies as the metephorical doorway to a humanistic existence, Bourgeios society, through Cold War Paradigms and philosophical misinterpretation has dubbed it the contemporary "Tree of knowledge of Good & Evil" [FORBIDDEN]

Why do you think on the Right there is a constant attack on academia?
Who burns books? The Left or the Right?

Marxism demands for a new society built upon the lessons learned from the old. A Socialist Epoch of political freedom and social communalization. This requires the rotten structre of such political affirmations as the State to be annihalated. It was this "scaffolding" which provided the Bolesheviks the means to establish Totalitarinism.

That is not Marxism.

 

Friend,

You took that quote out of context to make your opponent look bad. Any analysis of what was originally written will prove that.