Medicaid increases by 10 million since ObamaCare rollout

Based on the Gallup findings, the numbers of policies canceled are minuscule compared to the sign ups, based on a simple fact that there are more insured individuals versus uninsured. Your argument is totally mute and mjz is spot on.

 

Indeed! The uninsurance rate has never been lower than it is now.



And those numbers are only through the first half of this year, so they miss an additional ~2 million Medicaid enrollees since then and the millions that have already signed up for coverage starting January 1 of next year.

 

Ok, let's see now. Gallup says there's 15 mln more with insurance, of which there are 8.2mln signees to Obamacare, right? Actually, 300k of that number was admittedly added "in error", but who's counting, right? And we all know, not all of the signees turned into paying customers, right? These are your numbers, so follow along now?

Gallup claims there are 15mln previously uninsured people, right? But Obamacare only claims 8mln people, so who are the other 7 mln and where are they? That's right, freeloaders they are, dumped into Medicaid, and this number cannot include 6 mln people who's policies were canceled, because they previously had insurance. Right? Of course right. So, where and how they (6mln people who had insurance and lost it counted)? So, you see my confusion? But you seem to have the answer, so splain please?

 

The numbers include both medicare and medicaid enrollees. The number isn't how many people have insurance excluding medicaid and medicaid.
It's how many have insurance now that didn't then. D'uh.... Medicare and medicaid are insurance.

You're talking in circles again. I gave you exactly what you asked for and to no one's surprise you still come up with reasons to not accept reality.

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Do you call 6 mln cancelations a "minuscule" number, comparing with claimed 15 mln newly insured previously uninsured people? And this number was just raised by another 3mln canceled policies by Obama, raising total number of cancelations for which Obamacare is responsible to 9 mln? Is 9 mln "minuscule" comparing to 15 mln?

 

People who "lost" their old insurance plans generally didn't become uninsured, they just bought a different plan offered by their insurer. Or perhaps they bought one from a competing insurer. They didn't experience any lapse in coverage.

There's an individual market outside of the exchanges, which means someone in that situation who doesn't purchase insurance directly through the exchange isn't counted in the exchange numbers but is still enrolled through their state's individual market (and that person obviously responds to Gallup's survey saying they're insured, since they are).

 

I'm one of these people who lost his policy due to incomparability with Obamacare and I did buy individual policy through the exchange. It means, I'm now counted as one of Obamacare success stories. But I had insurance before I went to the exchange, so I'm not supposed to be a part of Obama's victory lap. Right?

 

Ok, we're now getting somewhere.So, Obamacare only tooting 8mln subscribers... Why? People added to Medicaid rolls are not part of Obamacare success story? Why's that?

 

6 mln people whose policies were canceled by Obamacare went out ang got themselves new policies, most undoubtedly through the exchanges, like myself. Am I included into Obamacare success story and if yes, why?

 

You really are thick, aren't you?
Obama counts 8.32 million more people with insurance today than prior to the roll out for enrollment. Others count it much higher.
The Obama administration didn't count the damn spike of cancellations as new policies.
The very damn thing you've been arguing they did.
Thus the descrepencies in the number. D'uh.


Has NOTHING to do with medicare or medicaid.
They are insurance policies, too.

You really are full of it, aren't you?
About as disingenuous a poster as I have ever encountered.

Last time I'm doing the math for you.

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I don't know your personal story.

But the policies were cancelled because they did not meet minimum coverage requirements.
This could be from any number of reasons.
Well visits not covered
Annual or lifetime limits
Daily drug caps
Hospital re-imbursement significantly under real cost
pre-existing condition exclusion.

6 million people getting policies that meet minimum requirements is undoubtedly a success.
It means if/when medical illness occurs, you are paying for coverage that actually pays the bills your treatment creates.
The rest of society doesn't have to pay by way of higher costs because you couldn't.
It's really not that hard to understand.

You have taken personal responsibility for your own health care costs.
It took your government regulating the industry to get a minimum standard because you truly had no clue what you had, but at least you are now paying for coverage the rest of us have had in place.

Congrats on walking the Conservative talk by taking responsibility.
Now if we could just get you to stop moaning about it.
And creating your own reality to justify not paying.

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Ok boy, a piece of advice - you will not have many intelligent conversations here if you continue to patronize people.

Ok, so the question then is - if The Obama administration didn't count the damn spike of cancellations as new policies. and some of these people went out and got themselves new individual policies through the exchanges, were their these new policies counted toward Obamacare success?

 

Again, no need to patronize me, laddy.

You are not answering my question - if 6 millions canceled policies were not accounted for by Obamacare, but when these 6 million former junk policyholders went out and got themselves new compliant policies through the exchanges, they were surely counted as new subscribers, according to your own words above, how many net new subscribers were added to Obamacare rolls ?

I say, zero.

 

Success. yes.
Counted within Administration numbers of people who didn't have insurance who now do -- which was your contention pages ago...... no.

Through all of our exchanges in this thread I have posted support for my contentions.
You have offered none. Not a one.
Just your ongoing clam that these people are in the Obama new insurance numbers.
I am not patronizing you.
I am calling you out on your BS and circle talk.


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I do not know in how many ways can I axe the same question... let me try again- I just went to the exchange and bought myself an insurance plan. Am I counted toward Obamacare sucess story? Yes, no?

When answering, keep in mind I already had so called junk insurance which was canceled as non Obamacare compatible...

 

He hasn't a clue of what you are talking about.

 

I don't know how many times I can answer the same way.
But I'll keep playing your game of deflection.

Yes -- you now having insurance that meets the standard is undoubtedly a part of the Obamacare succes story. The rest of us won't have to pay the coverage GAP if you needed care your old policy didn't cover.

You get that? A success. The minimum standards provisions worked. Success.

Seperate issue.
Does the administration count you in their numbers as someone who didn't have insurance who now does?
No.... you simply had insurance that didn't meet the minimum standard.
Others are using a much higher number.
They may be counting you.
The Administration is not.

Got it?

If you don't believe it post facts that supports your belief.

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I'm hopeful others who read it will.
I know it's been an eye opener to more than a few.
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Throwing in a little racism with the "AXE" word I see? Real cute!

And in so many ways the man already answered your question. Read/comprehend and you will see that.

 

You've explained it clearly and better than I ever could. It's up to those who have very little interest in comprehending your answer to actually understand your answer. Beyond that, you've gone as far as you can go.

 

He is not answering my simple questions for sure, and neither do you. Must be English challenged?

 

Ok good, we have now established my new, Obamacare compliant insurance policy is part of Obamacare sucess story. But I'm not a new subscriber, I have always had insurance ever since I was a beardless youngster. Tell me again why Obamacare claims me as a new insurance policyholder?

 

Lol at somebody talking to others about personal responsibility while talking out off the other side of their mouth about the importance of Medicare and collectivism.

Maybe if you stopped and evaluated your positions before talking you wouldn't look ridiculous.

Or... are you one of those individuals benefiting off the "responsibility"of others for free?

 

There it is. I found it.

Your problem is, you believe that you ate entitled to, and have a right to, the best, most advanced, and most state of the art healthcare as your good given right.

That's your error.

 

Dear God... You were the first one in this thread to play that game.

The rest of us (the premium paying kind) need to be more responsible for ourselves, to make sure poor people are covered. Because ultimately, in your collectivist fantasy land, its our responsibility to provide for others, and if we don't want to... It's our fault they don't have coverage.

Your positions are ridiculous.

 

How do you know I'm not black fella?

And no, no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Liberal can answer my question, for the answering it honestly will point toward Obamacare fraudulently inflating enrollees numbers manyfold.

Let me axe question differently - I'm a Netflix subscriber and last week I've canceled my account with them. Today I gave it some thought and decided to resubscribe. So, what has happened to the total number of Netflix subscribers? Let me give you several options from which to chose

Lost one
Gained one
No change in the number of subscribers.

Obama has chosen to use second option when in reality, the number of insured in this country stayed the same. 6 mln people lost their policies, then 6 mln people bought new policies. Net gain of insured Americans - (*)(*)(*)(*)ing fat ZERO.

Notice how NO smart Liberals even engaged into this discussion? This is so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing obvious even to them!