Medicare-for-all' means long waits for poor care, and Americans won't go for it once they learn thes

No, they are categorically NOT cheaper.

Take a fatso who eats meat or other animal protein every day. And eats cheese every day. And eats processed vegetables every day. And eats some kind of rich desert or sweet treat every day. And drinks soda every day.

Now, replace the meat with lentils and beans, replace the large quantities of crappy processed cheese with an occasional small serving of good quality cheese, replace the processed vegetables with fresh vegetables which are in season (because they'll always be very cheap when in season), eat a piece of in season fruit for desert, and never ever buy soda or fruit juices - drink water or make a cup of herbal tea. If you must have animal protein, then have low sodium canned fish once a week, and buy a chunk of stewing beef as cheaply as possible and slow cook enough to make several freezer meals (again, no more than one per week). If you need snacks, buy bulk raw tree nuts like cashews and almonds and gently roast without salt or oil, and have a handful of these when you're hungry. Or a carrot. Your grocery bill will likely be halved.

 

Absolutely. ALL parents should be doing preventative care and setting a good nutritional example.

 

No, they are victims of THEMSELVES. The businesses involved are simply exploiting an opportunity, which is all any business does.

As for the time factor .. if any of these fatsos spend more than an hour a day watching tv, reading, looking at FB, or generally lounging around, then they absolutely have time to do it properly. They choose not to.

 

100%. More power to them to be able to keep turning a dollar long after we learned that smoking kills.

Food additives ... ha ha. Well if you know they're in there, and you know they're addictive, why are you eating that stuff?

 

We DO care, that's why we haven't done that stuff ourselves, nor raised kids who do it. Obviously.

 

What did I ask you to defend? What claim did I say you made?

 

What claim did I make?

 

The information has been widely available since the late 1950's. Anyone under the age of 70 has no excuse.

 

It will be difficult to have a discussion, about the merits of Medicare For All, with someone who sees the long term benefits of television as something better than the short term benefits of health care. Personally I would rather have a month or two of quality health care than 10 years of watching mind numbing crap on a cheap Chinese TV.

 

It's a constant marvel to know that some people think others fail due to 'lack of information'. It's either profound naivety, arrogance (I have the magical information, and you don't), or an unconscious resistance to calling a spade a spade.

 

And that makes sense .....but someone still has to pay. It still comes to real dollars. Our school district has not benefited from a tax increase since the 1960s. The reason is that school taxes come from a land tax and it is subject to a popular vote. It is always voted down. Some people will never ever want to increase taxes for any reason.

 

That is because you have both. If a person were 27 a tv would be a better investment on the average. At a young age most kids should have their health and health insurance would be put on the back burner.

 

The person who, at 27, is too stupid to understand the difference between a TV and health care will end up being a person who at 47 is sitting in front of a new TV wondering when the next government check will be arriving and when Healthcare For All is going to be implemented.

 

The costs assumed by facilities and providers for someone unable to pay, is not usually built into a local tax, but fed back into the cost of services that are then charged to those who can pay, or have insurance. Some of it is written off to charitable services and expensed.

I can't say I blame people for not wanting to pay more and more, when they are getting the same, or less, for their money. When I moved to my current location, my Real Estate taxes were $943 a year. I live out in the county: no trash service, no water service, fire service is volunteer, to which we donate annually. We get snow or ice maybe twice a winter, and they will treat the roads for ice, but won't plow unless we get about 6 inches in one fall, which is about once a decade. Fast forward 18 years, services have not changed, the taxes are now $1875 a year. In that 18 years, the county road we live off of, has been repaved twice (two lane, no line markings, no curbs) and the stop sign has been replaced once.

So we continue to pay more, but receive no more. That money is going somewhere.....

 

I agreed, all the way up to the statement about kids.....

 

Yours do the shopping and cooking?

 

I don't have rug rats.
However, I did the militant hunger strike thing when I was a kid, but the difference then was I was made to sit at the table until I did eat it, or it was given to me again at the next meal.

Try that now, and some would hang you on abuse charges.

 

Kids are fed rice for breakfast in China. No one is offering Coco Puffs.

 

Not hard to understand at all. Look at all the misinformed, fact denying and disillusioned people who should have known still voted for the traitor Trump.

 

Nearly as prevalent as ALL of the major institutions that knew about climate change and still, those who have little training or experience think they know better. It’s not much different. Denial of facts seems to run wild in the community of deniers whether it’s climate change or nutrition. Amazing how smart they are because they have their version of common sense. Yet, they still can tell you how cell phone service works without wires.

 

You really don’t know hat you’re talking about do you ? You do know that cigarette companies added arsenic to enhance the effects of nicotine as a habit forming agent. The ignorance in supporting tobacco companies in this effort completely ignores the effects of secnd hand cigarette smoke which people suffered through for years being forced to work and live along side smokers. But that’s ok, cause turning a profit at the expense of non smokers is OK too.

 

When I was 27 I didn't worry bout Healthcare. But I did have a good job in construction. I was...in fact...building a hospital at the time.

 

At 47 I worked 10 and 12 hour days in a foundry....a union shop...making good money with company paid insurance.

 

I guess you are not familiar with the American Cancer Society's research in the early 1950's where they conducted a three year study of 188,000 men between the ages of 50-69 to assess the link between smoking and lung cancer.

That's right you didn't know about it because it was a big secret.

Or maybe you just had your blinders on.

 

.....and your point?