Michelle Obama only Democrat to beat Trump in new poll

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    No, she would not. Dems will vote for anyone with a 'D' and Republicans for anyone with an 'R', but they represent only 24% + 24% of voters, while all the rest are Independents, and they decide who wins or loses. Its absurd to run polls on someone who has repeatedly said she has zero interest.

    How is Ivanka polling against Marco Rubio?

    How about Melania? Not Natural Born? No, worries, - the USSC can fix that in a minute.
     
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    So . . . now you are saying there's no reason not to vote for Michelle? Dude. Please think of a consistent position. It is difficult chasing these numerous contradictions. It sounds like the only standard you will accept is your double standard.
     
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    I never said that, but what else is new?...lol
     
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    Yet when President he did this

    There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before
    https://www.cnbc.com/.../there-are-more-jobs-than-people...

    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com › 2018/01/31 › pay-gains-under-trump...

    Jan 31, 2018 - Workers looking for fatter paychecks had their best year in 2017 since before the financial crisis, according to a government report Wednesday.

    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar ...
    www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/14/blue...
    Aug 14, 2019 • Blue-collar path to solid paycheck. And as blue-collar workers have seen their wallets thicken, highly educated white-collar workers’ wages have grown more modestly.

    • Pay
    gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 • President Donald Trump's first full year in office saw gains that easily outdistanced any year for his predecessor, Barack Obama, whose best showing was the 2.2 percent increases in 2016 and 2014. Six of Obama's eight years in office saw gains of 2 percent or less.

    Black and Hispanic unemployment is at a record low
    www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/black-and-hispanic...
    Oct 04, 2019 · The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%. The Hispanic women unemployment rate was 3.8% in September and ...


    https://www.atr.org/thanks-trump-median-household-income-highest-level-ever
    Real median household income has grown by $4,144 or 6.8 percent since President Trump took office, according to an op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal.

    This data is based on a report released by Sentier Research analyzing the Census Bureau’s monthly Current Population Survey.
    As noted in the op-ed, authored by Stephen Moore, real median household income is at an all-time high:
    “Real median household income—the amount earned by those in the very middle—hit $65,084 (in 2019 dollars) for the 12 months ending in July. That’s the highest level ever and a gain of $4,144, or 6.8%, since Mr. Trump took office. By comparison, during 7½ years under President Obama—starting from the end of the recession in June 2009 through January 2017—the median household income rose by only about $1,000.”
    The below chart highlights the strong Trump wage growth.

    Economy & Politics: Income Gap Grows under Trump, Obama — but ...
    www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/income-gap-growth...
    Indeed, in a bit more than half of his term, Trump’s $5,003 mountain of growth in median household income is 346 percent higher than Bush-Obama’s $1,444 molehill of marginal middle-class earnings. https://www.nationalreview.com/.../income-gap-growth.../
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    So . . . now you abandon your criticism of Michelle Obama. You can't find a consistent position, but what else is new?
     
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    Why do you hate black women?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    What the hell are you even talking about? Trump is not a black woman.
     
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    Sorry...but I think you are being naive if you dont think Michelle Obama would draw a lot of votes. And all the polling proves that.

    Provided of course that she would accept the call...and I agree...I dont know if she would or not.
     
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    It took an epidemic and politicians committed to completely shutting down an economy to damage Trumps economic record as president.
     
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    The polling can't even come close to being remotely accurate until she declares a candidacy and Biden steps down. That's the only way to start getting accurate polling numbers. And please keep pretending you give two shits about polling. Dollars to donuts you immediately dismiss and ignore ANY polling that is inconvenient for Trump.
     
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    His record, until that point, followed existing trends. No one with two brain cells to rub together, an elementary conception of economics, and an ability to read a graph could credit Trump for that.
     
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    Pressure? What pressure?

    She could run a William McKinley type campaign - sit on the front porch and chat with visitors. Meanwhile all the campaigning would be done by surrogates - Barak and others.

    In fact, if Biden had any brains left, he would have run that campaign, instead of debating Trump.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_porch_campaign
     
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    Not fake arguments. I don't agree with Trump on Ukraine. But I was right on the mark with Obama's economy and foreign policies.

    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…



    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.

    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
    Welfare At All-Time High Under Obama

    The latest government figures reveal that an astonishing number of people are collecting public benefits such as food stamps and disability checks, revealing an alarming trend of dependence on government rather than self-sufficiency associated with the American dream.

    A record 5.4 million workers have applied for federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to a news report that cites recent government figures. This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans, the report says.

    Since the recession supposedly ended in mid 2009, the number of people who have applied for disability benefits is double the job growth figure, according the report which includes an informative chart. In just the first four months of this year, 539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 applied for the federal benefit. That means nearly 11 million people are on disability, according to the Social Security Administration.

    Also this week, government figures reveal that a record number are getting food stamps and the figure will keep rising. This is not surprising since the Obama Administration has promoted the program like there’s no tomorrow in an effort to eradicate “food insecure households.” In fact, the administration has spent millions of dollars to recruit even more food-stamp recipients and has doled out hefty cash rewards to states that sign up the most people. One state even bragged about a $5 million performance bonus it got from the feds for its “swift processing of applications.”https://www.judicialwatch.org/.../welfare-at-all-time.../
    Poverty level under Obama breaks 50-year record ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../obamas-rhetoric-on......

    Jan 07, 2014 · A record 47 million Americans receive food stamps, about 13 million more than when he took office.
     
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    OBAMA REFUSES TO GIVE JORDAN DRONES TO BATTLE ISIS! …
    https://americasfreedomfighters.com/obama-refuses...
    Obama and the State Dept. have refused a request by Jordan to send unarmed Predator drones saying that 'Jordan is not a strong enough ally of the U.S.

    Obama refuses to provide the Kurds weapons to defend ...
    https://reform4syria.org/obama-give-the-kurds-weapons-to...
    Oct 03, 2014 · As Barack Obama refused to arm the Free Syrian Army for over three years and refused to arm the Ukrainian Government to defend themselves from the Assad and the Putin terrors, now …


    by the CIA's own estimate, ISIS has grown on President Obama's watch from just 700 fighters to between 20000 and 31500 fighters. ... Admission: The Islamic State was “decimated” under George W. Bush and had just “700-or-so adherents left” following the surge in Iraq. Said Brennan: [ISIS] was, you know

    U.S. Pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ISIS strikes - WND
    https://www.wnd.com/.../u-s-pilots-obama-blocks-75-of...

    Nov 20, 2015 · U.S. Pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ISIS strikes ... Pilots who have returned from deployments say Obama refuses to permit airstrikes 75 percent …

    Obama never got serious fighting ISIS till his last year in office. To

    late by then, damage had already been done. Thousands killed

    and made homeless. Millions fled to Europe, which will never be

    the same again.


    (Lets look and see who has really given into the Russians. The bias news won't tell you.
    Obama Appeases Putin By Ending U.S. Broadcasts Into Russia ...
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/...
    Liberty: U.S. radio broadcasts to Russians are to end. With President Obama's friend Vladimir Putin getting a dubious 64% in a five-way presidential race in March, this is no time to pretend Russia...
    Did Obama Pledge ‘More Flexibility’ Toward Russia After ...
    https://www.snopes.com/fact.../obama-more-flexibility-russia
    Dec 13, 2016 · A hot microphone picked up President Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues like
    The Anti-Obama: Trump Selling Missile Defense To Poland ...
    https://www.dailywire.com/.../anti-obama-trump-selling... When Barack Obama capitulated to Russia in 2010 by removing missile launchers in Poland that neared the Russian border? There’s a new sheriff in town. On Wednesday, the Polish state news agency PAP reported that Poland’s government will buy the Patriot missile defense system from the U.S.
    Trump in Poland: U.S. To Sell Warsaw Arms to Stop 'Hot …
    ://www.newsweek.com/trump-Poland-Warsaw-us-arms-Russia... A move set to counter Russia’s reinforcement on NATO's borders, Poland and the U.S. Have agreed that Warsaw will purchase the American-made Patriot air defense missile, the Polish government announced Thursday. Trump delighted many in Poland when he announced he would be visiting the country .
    ..
    Trump Sends Tank-Killing Missile To Fight Russia in ...
    ://www.newsweek.com/trump-tank-killing-missile-fight... Trump administration approved the sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine on Friday as it continues to fight pro-Russian forces in the eastern part of the country, a move that has angered the Kremlin and signifies the U.S. …
    The President of Ukraine asked Obama for weapons to defend his country against Russian backed Ukrainian insurgents wanting to take over the country. Obama gave them food, uniforms, night vision glasses and blankets. NO WEAPONS. The Ukrainian President said later, you can't fight a war with blankets. Trump gave them the weapons pissing the Russians off.
    Trump admin announced fresh sanctions on Russia - CNNPolitics
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/politics/us-russia-sanctions...
    Jan 26, 2018 · The Trump administration announced new sanctions Friday related to Russia's occupation of Crimea and ongoing violence in eastern Ukraine, just days ahead of a congressionally mandated deadline for ...
    Trump administration withdraws from U.S.-Russia nuclear weapons ...
    https://www.usatoday.com/.../trump.../2737306002/
    Cached
    1 day ago - Trump administration withdraws from nuclear weapons treaty, .... Closely review the security implications of Russian intermediate-range missiles and ... Theme he has hit on since Trump's decision to nix the Iran nuclear accord, .
    U.S. Says It Has Thwarted $6 Billion Russia-Germany Gas ...
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-15/...
    Feb 15, 2020 · Trump has assailed Germany for giving “billions” to Russia for gas while it benefits from U.S. protection. Nord Stream 2’s owners had invested 5.8 …
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I have no interest in your desperation to change the subject. Your straw men do not interest me. Please actually try reading the thread.
     
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    This is the man you want to run the country again behind his wife?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I don't share your assumption that women are incapable of being political leaders, but that is a common opinion I've seen expressed by the far right on this forum. Unfortunately.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a great way of not being able to counter what I said, which does not change the subject. If She is elected it will be Obama running the country and we both know it and he was a total disaster in everything he did. You can thank the bias news for only giving you half the story on Obama.
     
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    I disagree with you claim that Trump's wife ran the office while he was there.
     
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    She won't be able to pull that off.
     
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    She was an affirmative action hire.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Sure, man. Black woman bad.
     
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    Why do you hate black women?
     
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    I assume graduating from Harvard Law school is not a qualification , working as a lawyer is not “ real job” .
     
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    Trump is not a black woman.
     

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