Michigan House Passes Religious Freedom Bill

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  1. lizarddust

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    Republicans have to pander to the Religious Right ....waiting out when they die off of old age.

    Thus the GOP still has to fight things like gay marriage or contraception in insurance to keep a bunch of elderly religious "Archie Bunkers" happy....to keep their vote.
     
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    I think there is more to this than just pandering to the fundies. Stop and think about what it would mean for even one buisness to be able to refuse to do buisness with someone due to his sexual preference, religion or anything else...well I find it very scary and possibly the first step to repealing all that silly civil rights stuff.
     
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    From the article.

    "He cited several examples of protections, from the baker who doesn't want to provide a wedding cake to same-sex marriage couple to the Jewish mother who doesn't want an autopsy on her son who died in a car crash. Both cited religious beliefs as reasons in their cases. "

    What about the devoutly Christian emergency room health professional who denies treat to an Atheist, Hindu, Muslim etc on religious grounds and the patient dies? How would siting this bill stand up in court as a means of defense?
     
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    How bout the motel owner that refuses to allow gays to stay or the gas station that refuses to allow anyone not white to pump gas. Pretty soon large areas could be one group or another. I cant beleive we are actually doing this in this country.
     
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    It's the dying gasps of the Religious Right.....and the pandering to it by the GOP.

    But even that's not going to last....slowly but surely, Republicans are abandoning the social conservatives as the polling turns against them.
     
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    Of course it doesn't mean that. Medical folks are under different laws/standards.

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    Race and religion are protected groups. Sexual orientation is not. Love the way you liberals make up these outrageous strawman. That said, I agree totally in a motel owner that refuses to rent to an unmarried couple, be they gay or straight.

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    Nothing in Christianity would make it acceptable behavior for a Christian to deny medical help to anyone, even a Satanist. Baking a wedding cake is not medical or life-threatening. Stop making up strawmen.
     
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    How bout if they refuse to participate in an emergency ectopic pregnancy?
     
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    Emergency ectopic pregnancy surgery should be treated by any doctor. Non-emergency surgery for the same problem is a different matter.

    Interestingly, there is a rise in ectopic pregnancies, and it's associated directly with Chlamydia, illicit drug use, and in at least a few cases, with the morning after drugs.

    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=s1807-59322005000600012&script=sci_arttext

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6106a2.htm

    http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing...ptoms-diagnosis-and-management/205017.article
     
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    I actually seen a nurse refuse to scrub in on an emergent surgery is why I brought that up.
     
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    If there are other nurses to take her place, I don't see the big deal.
     
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    It wasnt. But it could have been if it had been a small county hospital with no other capable employees around.
     
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    "Mr Jones, do you have health insurance?"
     
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    "Dr. Jones, would you like to receive reimbursement for your services? "
     
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    It is truly sad the number of times that the left has to be schooled on the basics of religious freedom. As I have pointed out before, you are an "Aussie living in Laos." So, your not all that up to speed on the good old USA. This country was formed on basic principles that are outlined in our Constitution and a series of Amendments. The first ten Amendments are known as the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment states:

    As you can see, the Bill in Michigan does not grant anything that is not clearly outlined in the US Constitution. A sane individual might ask; If it is clearly spelled out, why bother with a state law? In recent years the federal government has practiced a process known as judicial activism. In order to save us from the “tyranny of the majority”. That is nothing but a load of male bovine excrement. The idea is that if the majority believes something is true, then it has to be wrong, and to claim otherwise is tyranny. In other words, if the majority recognized that Kentucky Blue Grass is actually green, but there is a small group of idiots existed that believe it really is blue. Then it would be tyranny to claim the Blue Grass is green.

    The Michigan State Legislature felt they needed to protect their citizen's Constitutional Right to freely exercise their religion. But, I am sure that a loony leftist like yourself would rather have things like they are in your beloved fundamentalist Muslim nations. Where if someone accepts Islam, and then renounces it, they are executed. That just seems so much more humane then allowing someone to practice their religion.

    Now, to deal directly to your question. The fact that you even asked it shows a complete lack of understanding of Christianity. It is far more likely that a Muslim would withhold medical care of a Jew or Christian, then the other way around. In order to withhold services based on a religious freedom claim, there has to be a basis written in the religion's base text. So, unless you can show passages that supports your claim, then the claim is null and void. There was a time in this country when some Christians believed the Bible denounced what they considered inferior races, but they could never cite passages to support it. Luckily those days are passed.

    The Christian faith is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. I would draw your attention to two points. One is that Jesus healed people of all races. He did not ask about their lifestyle choices, or what sins they had committed. He simply healed them. The second point is that his teachings were always in keeping of the Jewish Faith. He recognized that a marriage ceremony is a religious ordination, and subject to the laws set down by God. So, if God said that gay marriage is against Gods law, then it would violate the Baker's religious freedom to force him to take any part in the proceedings.

    So, as you can see, the law does not do anything that the judicial activists loony left claims.
     
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    The guy probably got a large bribe from the Islamists so that they can use the law to impose sharia in Michigan. Once it's passed women will get their driver license photos in full face veils. Schools will have to serve full halal meals and give the students prayer times throughout the day.
     

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