>MOD WARNING<So...what do progressives/liberals really stand for, exactly?

Of course not. It should be, but it isn't. Corporations are government.

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I wonder if you are interested in justice or in revenge.

 

They favor importing refugees from countries known for their terrorist recruitment without proper venting, for one. And, I'm not sure how favoring sanctuary cities in deficiency of federal law, intimidating members of the electoral college, burning the star & stripes, touting phrases like "America's never been great except for white folks" or supporting groups like the Muslim Brotherhood or BLM (kill the cops) can be placed in the "America first" category, either, can you? I mean, I could list more if you really want to take this route, but the current president, beloved by progressives, praised the his beloved pastor who said "G Damn America". Obama has never condemned that statement and neither have the progressive left. Why not? If they're "America first" then let them prove it. Until then, let the facts speak for themselves.

 

Then I would submit that government has killed more people and infringed upon the rights of people than any other man made creation in the history of the world...slavery, death...you name it.

Name something that has killed more than government.

That alone is the greatest irrefutable argument against government and why progressive belief in government is misbegotten.

 

I made no false allegations about liberals. You oppose Trump, right? .....yea...you do. And, despite all the issues he's raised and wants to correct you still oppose him, right? ....yea....you do, dude. So, who's the one making false allegations here? Yea...that would be you...DUDE!

 

Prove it. Document it.

Sure. Some of those at least. But don't pretend that those are broad, standard, accepted positions for/of liberals as a group. Some of it is fringe stuff.

Liberals wanting America first would likely want to stop government from deporting illegals wholesale. Burning the flag is also symbolic of the sentiment of wanting us to correct some important problems and make us strong again. And you know what? It's time to stop the racist crap! (not you) America has not been great for blacks, reds, and a few other minorities. But let's just stop the racism and killing of unarmed blacks and incarceration of a disproportionate number of blacks for minor crimes that whites are not sentenced for and sometimes aren't even arrested for. Just stop the damned racism!!! We're better than that! -or are we?

Anyone who is racist should know the problem is with him and not blacks and not Obama. The racist has chosen to remain racist. He could choose another path. So his refusal to do so is his own unacceptable flaw. Maybe racists need to be rounded up and re-educated in re-education camps.

Was I talking to you in that last section after all? I don't approve of what Wright said but I let go of my upset over Obama's attendance when he said he had not attended services there for a long time and that he disapproved of what Wright said. And as a non-racist white, I can understand Wright's meaning and sentiment. Blacks have suffered intolerably and only a hard-core racist would refuse to see that.

Oh yes he did! I'm sure Fox news and Breitbart and other right wing extremist and racist propaganda centers didn't carry it though.

 

You're actually not making much sense. You're just ranting and not dealing with what I've said, but I'm not surprised given the vapid, inane and shallow nature of your OP.

 

You don't know Mexicans and other south Americans very well. Either that or you don't think much of them. They are a hearty people with more commonsense and sacrifice than what you know. Do they want to leave? No. Do they want to pull up roots? No. Would it hurt? Yes. But they are not pansies and whiners. They know they did wrong. They know that one day it may come back at them. And they have always kept in reserve a measure of determination and sacrifice for that day. So stop babying them and making ridiculous excuses. It's not the end of the world.

 

"Ridiculous excuses"? LOL! So an "illegal" family who has been here 20 years and has a child in high school and another in college are ready to leave it all and they don't want to whine? You're making it up as you go. I have seen illegals who have been here many years with roots and families here and saw how worried they are about Trump and his threats. You can have a thick skin because it isn't you who's at risk. So brave of you.

 

They should have gotten their green cards. But not to worry, I'm sure they'll do just fine in Mexico or wherever they came from.

 

Are you capable of doing anything more than standing there and quaking? The longer you window dress the issue and procrastinate, the longer a day turns into twenty years. How about starting with the newbies and working backwards. Can you do that much? Oh and btw, it's not me at risk because I'm not the one who sneaked into another country against their laws and set up shop against their laws. I'm not at risk in America because I am an American. I'm supposed to be here.

 

What the left needs to understand is that Trump won mostly because he promised to get rid of the illegals and secure the borders.

That is now a done deal and is no longer up for debate. The only problem now is hoping that Trump makes good on his promise to build that wall and get rid of the illegals. First the bad hombres, and work down from there...

It's a new day boys, and if you don't like it, then tough titties.

 

I just have to ponder how long it will take people to realize Mexico isn't building OUR wall. That's simply playing on emotion. Trump says "I'll get rid of the illegals and build the wall." That's simply playing on peoples emotions, and telling people what they wanted to hear.

 

I'll tell you "ijiot", I'm certainly not "quaking" over your private opinions and dismissal of other people. It sure doesn't appear that you have any legitimate debate or discussion to offer.

You're not very good at communicating. I really don't know what to make of that.

Umm.... that's essentially what I said. Maybe you read too "fast".

 

Well that's your idea. Unfortunately, I don't think you're worth 9 billion like Trump. So really, all you are doing is saying "I couldn't do that".

Trump understands a bit better about how much money is flowing from the U.S. to mexico, and it's really easy to place a fee on that money that can be used to pay for the wall.

Want to send a thousand dollars to mexico? Great!!! That will cost 100 dollars.

easy peazy.

but you don't know how these things work, so I understand why you're skeptical.

 

What the left needs to understand is that Trump won mostly because he promised to get rid of the illegals and secure the borders.


We understood it. We pointed it out repeatedly

And what you seem not to realize is that he will never follow through on any of that...and you won't care

 

They wanted to be free from any conservative jurisdictions, wanted to be free from another person, and later on wanted to be free from one another, total freedom is a bliss.

 

I suspect you think they are the same thing.

 

I'll try again. Your extreme example of someone who has been here forty years having begotten grandchildren and so on, to justify your doing nothing about illegal immigration, is using window dressing(an extreme case) to justify procrastinating. By this you ignore all other fifteen million situations. So someone who has entered illegally this hour, will, in forty years, be your excuse again for doing absolutely nothing. Hence why I said that the longer you window dress the issue and procrastinate, the longer that one hour or one day (recent illegal entrys) will turn into twenty or forty years. And your excuse for doing nothing will be born anew, not by justice but by your fear(quaking) of doing anything at all about the issue now.

 

No one with a semblance of a rational mind can read what I wrote and conclude that I would do nothing about illegals. In fact my suggestion entails much more effort and work and consideration than anything you or any Trumpette has suggested.