Molten steel vs Molten aluminum challenge!!!

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  1. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    really? ... only steel vs aluminum? ...

    very weak thread ...
     
  2. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    yep in a room so dark the pic is underexposed and heated electrically so its being held in place by cohesion. The rest are back to crucibles.

    No place to hide all posers have is misdirection lies and troll posts.
     
  3. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    So then it could be steel. And the eyewitnesses say it was molten steel and none of them said it was molten aluminum. None of them even said it could be molten aluminum, they sounded pretty sure from the videos. In fact when one one of them said it was molten steel, you could hear those around him agreeing.

    I don't know about "you guys" but I never said that. I can only go by what they all said it was, and that's absolutely the only thing that anyone has to go on.

    What's silly is harping on the possibility that it could be molten aluminum when none of the eyewitnesses made that claim, implied it or even thought it "might be" aluminum. And since there was no forensic investigation of the evidence that may or may not have contradicted just about every eyewitness claim, there is only the near unanimous multiple eyewitness claims that it was molten steel. And I only say near unanimous because some said it was molten metal. And some describe the source of the molten metal as beams and girders. There is not a chance that the molten beams and girders could produce molten aluminum, so that pretty much seals it.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    nothing new to see, just the same old trolling that has been proven 14 years ago to be bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is gracious of you to admit that.

    It is proven molten aluminum if hot enough does glow.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why didn't you look up the temperature of molten steel?

    Aluminum melts at a far lower temperature. The aluminum flowing from the building came from the 757.

    Tell us again how at much lower temperatures steel melts to glow in the daylight?

    Steel melts

    2750°F
    Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).

    Aluminum melts

    1,221°F
    660.3°C
     
  7. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Incandescence is a lie? It has nothing to do with temperature? Yeah I can spot the lies.

    Face it. You're beat.
     
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This gets more and more bizarre.

    Let's examine the tons of airplane.

    http://www.b757.info/boeing-757-200-specifications/
    Weight and loadings
    operating weight empty PW: 58440 - 59160 kg (128840 - 130440 lb)
    RR: 58570 - 59300 kg (129130 - 130730 lb)

    You are talking of 65 tons gross of melting airplane.

    The temperatures in the two WTC buildings never reached the melting temperature of steel.

    Even the structure did not melt, it bent. As it bent, like an enormous pile driver, the floors started to bend and collapse. Like spaghetti, it fell down.

    But steel does bend at the melting temperature of aluminum. Given the massive amount of aluminum in the burning building, naturally you saw aluminum flowing as did the eyewitnesses.
     
  9. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and what proof do you have that is steel or aluminum? it is fuel on fire pouring out of the building molten steel doesn't flow like that it is heavy it would not be blown around by the wind like you see in the clip
     
  10. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pyrometers that can read the temp of steel and aluminum the exact same way are a lie.
     
  11. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    All irrelevant, including your wishful unsupported opinion that "the aluminum flowing from the building came from the 757". It doesn't change any of the eyewitness claims that they saw molten steel.
     
  12. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Just as irrelevant as your prior post, it still doesn't change any of the eyewitness claims that they saw molten steel and the ramifications of their claims or the fact that none of their claims were investigated, deliberately. What is bizarre is that you actually believe that what you posted is relevant to the eyewitness claims. They're not going to go away no matter how much you want to sing and dance to try to dismiss them. I take that back, it's not bizarre, it's actually typical for you.
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So creepy.

    Certainly when discussing your so called molten steel theory, based not on truth, but those magical onlookers, they as you do, failed to notice the metal is aluminum and not steel.

    You have failed to explain how molten steel flowed nor now it can flow despite much lower temperatures.

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    You refused to believe the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon and now you want me to believe that far below on the sidewalk they know molten steel from aluminum?

    You are far too easy to deal with.
     
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    so you want to claim it was molten steel and not aluminum so where did that much molten steel come from?

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    so i will ask again where did that much molten steel come from?
     
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    Have the truthers explained their dumb premise yet? That is molten steel = controlled demolition. Until they can substantiate that claim, their stories are mere fluff for fools.
     
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    Eye witnesses did not know what they were actually seeing and it is a fact that eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

    What was flowing out of the building looks like molten metal but it is impossible to distinguish between molten steel or molten aluminum at that distance.

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    Only thing that is bizarre is believing that the eye witnesses were expert enough to tell the difference between molten steel and molten aluminum at that distance.
     
  17. Bob0627

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    Yeah reality can be at times.

    I don't have any "so called molten steel theory", there are only the eyewitness claims about molten steel and they're not "magical onlookers", they are real eyewitnesses and the claims are absolutely real. What YOU believe they failed to notice has nothing to do with their claims, that's just your unsupported opinion and you're nobody that has anything to do with 9/11.

    That's not my job or yours, it's the job of the investigators, in this case NIST. They're the ones who failed to explain anything about the eyewitness claims because they lied and claimed they never heard of it.

    Inventing things about me has nothing to do with anything. It's not a matter of believing what eyewitnesses claim, it's a matter of investigating their claims, ALL of them, not just a select few.

    I don't give a flying **** what you believe or not, it's not about YOU or me.

    That has nothing to do with anything either, definitely not with this subject. Who cares what you think about me? I'm not 9/11 or molten steel or an eyewitness or an eyewitness claim.
     
  18. Ronstar

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    there is no human that can look at molten material and declare with certainty what its metalurgic make up is

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    they can look at molten metal and declare what's in it, just by sight?

    wow!!! superman!!!!
     
  19. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Pay attention, I'm not the one making molten steel claims, the 9/11 eyewitnesses are. I never denied anything about aluminum, but whether I did or not is irrelevant. It seems more like you're trying hard to deny molten steel.

    Well according to eyewitnesses who saw the "melting of girders" and the "ends of beams dripping" where do you figure they came from? It's not my job to explain where it came from, that's the job of the investigators, namely NIST in this case.
     
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    if we asked them now, whether they were 100% sure it was molten steel they saw, and not molten aluminum, they will of course admit that as they didn't test the material, they cannot say for sure what kind of metal it actually was.

    "steel" was simply their go-to phrase since they knew that there was a lot of steel in the building.

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    it was simply their go-to phrase since they knew there was a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of steel in the building.

    but none of them meant "i know for sure, 100% positive, that this melted material is steel and nothing but steel".
     
  21. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who are these magical eyewitnesses who are able to discern molten steel from molten aluminum that flows from over 80 stories up?

    Why do you accept their findings.

    At least my claims are based on science of melting aluminum airplanes.
     
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    None of that has any relevance either.
     
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    I'm denying molten steel using basic common sense like where did it all come from? couldn't be from the steel used to erect the building that floor would have collapsed by then
    so for it to be molten steel and not aluminum like I am assuming your claiming you first need to come up with an explanation where did it all come from?
     
  24. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I pointed out to you that eyewitness accounts testified to the 757 crashing into the pentagon too yet you dismissed that as bogus.

    But now your magical witnesses know steel from aluminum 80 or more stories up from the sidewalk.
     
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    You make a lot of ASSumptions that mean absolutely zero in the real world just to try to comfort your own belief system.
     

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