Morality

Should Morality Matter in Politics Or Not?

 

Whose morality? Victorian morality? Buddhists morality? Quaker morality? Indigenous Australian morality?

 

Boris Johnson is what happens when a leader has no morals - just look at him. Trump is another, also Bolsonaro. 2 dimensional egomaniacs with not a single moral fibre between them.

 

Most of our society is based on a social construct/contract so there’s no way to remove it from politics.

 

Morality matters in everything. It's a little worrying that you even feel the need to ask.

 

Whose morality?

Hitler had his own form of morality. Is that what you are all defending?

 

Yes it should. Unfortunately it kindof cant. Even if a politician is squeaky clean, it just means we dont know about their scuminess. We want trustworthy legislators, but we cannot afford to actually trust them (I mean just look at history...).

And while we certainly should prefer moral legislators (even though we still shouldnt trust them), we shouldn't try to legislate morality. Morality is objective at the personal level (you cannot make me adopt your morals, nor I you), this makes it subjective at the group level, and thus a dangerous foundation for laws.

 

That is not the meaning of objective. It is absolutely NOT objective on any level. Morality is entirely subjective and no two people would ever entirely agree on what is "morality"

 

So you're moral values are objective to me if I don't share them subjectively.

 

Quit talking gibberish.

 

We have to have a common set of right vs wrong. They have to come from “our knower”. We cant have laws for everything or we become trapped.
For example my parents told me: “it just isn’t done.” And that had to suffice.
We are seeing Soros move the needle in DA races, and innocent people are paying the price because the immorality of crime has lessened and criminals are saying “Yeah, I can get away with that.”
Morals are guiding principles, laws are punishments for breaking laws.

 

Oh I'm sure it's just a lead in to a rant on how Democrats have no morality or they've destroyed it, yada yada yada.

 

You seem to be trying to disagree with me by reinforcing what I said ...again.

Please explain how what you just said is meaningfully different from what I said: "Morality is objective at the personal level (you cannot make me adopt your morals, nor I you), this makes it subjective at the group level"