More Bad News for Obamascarce: Doctor shortage

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  1. FearandLoathing

    FearandLoathing Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what's gotten into CBS News, but they've been on president Obama's case lately. First they reveal that Obama's promise "If you like your plan, you can keep it." was bull(*)(*)(*)(*), now, they are reporting what medical economists have been saying for three years, Obamacare is going to be Obamascarce; too many patients and not enough doctors.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11...-be-further-hamstrung-by-shortage-of-doctors/

    “It will be inferior care. They will end up going to clinics, to situations where they don’t have their own private physician. When they go to hospitals they are not going to know any of doctors who are taking care of them,” cardiologist Dr. David Hess said.

    Dr. Hess is right. We've seen it here in Canada. Until 3 years ago we were training them to go to the US. Now, it's changed: "“Doctors are planning to retire. Anybody who is anywhere near retirement age is talking about retirement. … There’s just too much going on,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht of the New York State Medical Society."

    That's the scariest statement of all.
     
  2. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [video=youtube;-3OBIe0XPUg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3OBIe0XPUg[/video]

    This will become the norm come Jan 1, 2014.
     
  3. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does this have to do with Obamacare?

    Doctors have been threatening this and people do end up somewhere not knowing their doctors for more than a decade.


    Medical society brochure from 2006!!!

    https://www.aamc.org/download/82874/data/helpwanted.pdf
     
  4. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Knowing what you posted, why would anyone pass a law that makes that worse?
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well why doesn't Congress just up the limit of Residencies? It's an artificial shortage that could easily be rectified....
     
  6. FearandLoathing

    FearandLoathing Well-Known Member

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    Didn't read the article then did we?

    I guess those doctors are all Republican ********** Obama haters that don't know what they're talking about when they say doctors are leaving BECAUSE of Obamcare?

    What does it take. Every prediction made by medical economists has come true and still you deny the prediction of people in the know in favor of what Bagdad Bob Carney tells you...

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    Sure, another mandate?

    Force doctors to work?


    That's a great solution...if the USSR
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...uh...what? Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. There is a limit of how many doctors can enter a residency at one time. That limit is 15 a year. If they raised that limit and allowed more students to enter the residency program (which is required to become a doctor) then they could make up for the shortage.

    Which has nothing to do with the USSR. :???:
     
  8. Professor Peabody

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    Because we want Doctors that know what they are doing, not the killers they have in the UK.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ....that doesn't make any sense. The training is the same, there just needs to be more allowed into the programs to deal with the shortage.

    Honestly I'm kinda surprised to hear you defending a government regulation that limits the productivity of an industry...
     
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    Shhh... we need to pretend that health premiums have been skyrocketing on a regular basis for decades and that there has been a doctor/nurse shortage for quite some time now. If we don't, the right-wing's Koh-funded scare-a-thon comes to an end.
     
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    Where are you getting that number from? I'm not finding anything about a "15 a year" limit.

    http://www.advisory.com/Daily-Briefing/2012/08/30/Why-residency-programs-cant-fill-the-physician-gap

    Federal funding cuts, rules for residencies limits programs

    Currently, the cost of training a new resident is about $145,000 a year, and Medicare currently funds more than 75% of doctor residencies.

    However, the number of students accepted into federally funded residency programs has been capped at 85,000 for the past 15 years. In addition, federal Medicare payments have been cut by the federal health care reform law and many states face deficits that prevent them from contributing training funds, according to AAMC Chief Policy Officer Atul Grover.

    The restriction on federal funding for residency programs also impacts medical schools. According to the National Resident Matching Program, the number of residency applicants exceeds the number of available positions, preventing medical schools from expanding.
     
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    Yeah, because making problems worse is the noble and just thing to do! Just like telling millions of Americans that the health care they brought and paid for wasn't good enough!

    Here's an idea for Liberals: Next time when thinking of a solution to a problem. 1) Try not making existing problems worse. 2)Respect the Self-Determination process and 3) At least ASK for opinions.

    Giving you guys a mandate was the worse thing America ever did. I wish we could take back the 2008 election results. Democrats aren't worthy of a super majority. This is 1913(Fed.Reserve created by a democratic super majority) all over again.
     
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    Hrm. I guess I am wrong. In hindsight that is pretty low but I could have sworn I read an article saying that last time this came up.
     
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    This is a stupid scare tactic. Many doctors do not ADMIT AND FOLLOW.. Its time wasting for the patient and much too costly.. For the past 15 years they have begun to use in-house IM groups.
     
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    DAILY, the Rightie hate groups have accused Obamacare of bringing us medical rationing and "Death Panels".

    Yet DAILY, they advocate KEEPING the current's system's medical rationing and ACTUAL Death Panels by keeping MILLIONS of people from having access to doctors and medical care, and the HORRORS we will undergo if we actually make it possible for these abandoned people to SEE a doctor!

    Their irrationality and duplicity is ENDLESS!
     
  16. Professor Peabody

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    You are blinded to the reality of it.

    "uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics.

     
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    So, assuming your little fairy story even was true and actually useful (its not for most people), then WHY does having REAL insurance SUDDENLY mean ALL our doctors and hospitals will be OVERLOADED and UNAVAILABLE, as your kind claims?

    You know, you can't play both sides of the fence without looking like fools.
     
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    I was watching a Hospital panel this morning on CSPAN and a medical expert said a Nurse Practitioner can do 70% of primary care work a doctor can, this leaving out complex care say multiple issues with ones health so why do you need doctors seems to me a LNP or PPA (primary physicians assistant) can do most of the doctors work and be far less costly to train. In my state an LNP needs a Masters Degree to practice in that working area. It seems to me just swap out doctors with them and bring in more foreign medical doctors and if you don't want to make them on a fast track a licensed doctor, give them a Federal status as a "Licensed Supporting Physician [LSP]" the same as a LNP.

    This is not a big issue just use common sense save MD's for more serious care, let others do ordinary primary care they can refer cases if needed to an MD.
     
  19. Professor Peabody

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    Post the "regulation" so I can read it.

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    So do I get 30% off of my premium when I do?
     
  20. tkolter

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    Why the provider will be suitably trained for that sort of care, why should a highly trained specialist an MD treat a routine Urinary Tract Infection or other common issues when an LPN is more than adequate for the task at hand? No one said you would see a doctor all the time as a primary care provider in fact the ACA added funding to train PPA's, LNP's and Nurse-Midwives to add more primary care providers.
     
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    I guess when people actually start to report the news of what is actually happening, that eyes start to open.

    Anyone see Jay Carney today? I bet he got an earful about Obama lying, about lying.
     
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    It was part of the 1997 Balance Budget Act. So not technically a regulation, yet still a legislated issue.
     

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