More Government, Less Religion -- the Progressive Doctrine

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  1. XXJefferson#51

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    Where does the passion of Democrats really lie — in improving lives of Americans or in dramatically expanding government?

    Equally revealing is what does not interest progressives at all.

    A little more than a decade ago, Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill at the Brookings Institution publicized what they called the "success sequence."

    The success sequence consists of three steps in behavior to avoid poverty. Complete at least a high school education, work full time, and wait until age 21 before getting married and then having children.

    According to testimony of Haskins in the U.S. Senate in 2012, those following the "success sequence" have a 2% chance of being in poverty and a 75% chance of reaching the middle class.

    But the success sequence doesn't much interest progressives because the focus is about individuals taking personal responsibility for their lives in a free country. The "personal responsibility" part and the "free country" part have little standing in the Democratic Party.

    Also of little interest to our progressive friends is that larding down our economy with massive amounts of government retards economic growth. Why would anyone think slow economic growth is good for the poor, let alone any American?

    As Americans allow themselves to be convinced that government is the answer to their lives, they become more likely to abandon faith and religion, which provide the light and principles for individuals to take control of their own lives.

    New data from the Pew Research Center shows the toll that secularization is taking on our country.







    read more: https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/star-parker/more-government-less-religion-progressive-doctrine





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    he secular progressive left seems to believe that government can replace God and religion in the American peoples lives. They are wrong. The zeal of the bicoastal urban secular progressive elites in their intolerance of religion and bigotry against religious people seemingly knows no bounds. George Washington was right about what America needs to succeed.
     
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    A perfect example of the secular progressives bigotry and intolerance bordering on hate of religion and religious people, particularly Orthodox Jews and evangelical Christians, conservative Catholics is MBFC. A reading of their descriptions of various sites controlled or influenced by the above shows their absolute contempt for everything we believe in. Another example of secular progressive bigotry and hate is the SPLC and their so called hate list and how many Christian groups they list as “hate” in an attempt to silence us. Conservative and Christian and most of our organizations are on it. Alliance Defending Freedom, Family Research Council, American Family Association, Concerned Women for America just to name a few.
     
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    Big government is the replacement god for secularists and progressives. They see God and the constitution as obstacles to be overcome to reach their dystopian utopia.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    I don't believe there is one factual statement other than post #4.
     
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    I believe that Democrats have a genuine concern for society and that politicians are exploiting that concern for the purpose of gaining/maintaining power.

    I also believe that religious beliefs are being exploited by Republican politicians for the same reason.

    Personally, I feel that society is better off with less religion and less government.
     
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    Yes…
     
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    What do you see when you read your posts on this issue?
     
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    Sorry, but you don't get to determine what other people think and believe.
     
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    Well, Lord, have mercy. What do you expect them to do with all the extra time they would gain by not minding everybody else's business? As much as they scream about rights, they sure have no problem trying to take away everybody else's.
     
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    But that is exactly what you were doing to us when you said “nope”. We believe and think what I said and what the seeded article said.
     
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    The truth…
     
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    I assume you are aware that truth is fluid?
     
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    To the progressive left it is, just like to them ethics are situational.
     
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    That is not entirely true. Every person views the world through their own lens and processes that through their own experiences, knowledge, training and anything that helps them make sense of the world around them. That's not a political thing. It's part of the human condition.

    And, trying to sell it as political diminishes the argument. There is nobody on the planet (or probably all of them) that is more immoral, unethical and evil than Trump and he's not on the left or progressive by any means.
     
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    Ah no I'm not.
     
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    They are.
     
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    Government is the new religion. All praise the omnipotent President Biden. My Bible is the Federal Register. It’s better than your Bible because it adds 10,000 pages of delightful reading every day.
     
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    the goal of the christian death cult is end times and rapture as they alter the planet's environment to suit some fictional supernatural being with whom they claim to have a "personal relationship."

    why on earth should i NOT oppose that?:
     
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    What are you talking about? Republicans have had higher deficits far more than Democrats have.

    You've been listening to right wing sources for too long, and they haven't been telling you the truth.

    Y'all pay lip service to 'smaller government' but when you are in power, you spend like drunken socialists.

    http://presidentialdata.org/
    Democratic Presidents Manage the Economy Better Than Republicans


    Since World War 2
    • More than twice as many jobs are created per year under Democratic Presidents than Republican Presidents (1.95 million jobs/year under Democratic Presidents versus 825,500 jobs/year under Republican Presidents.)
    • Budget deficits under Republican Presidents have been $4 trillion more than under Democratic Presidents.
    • Ten of the last eleven recessions have begun under Republican Presidents (www.nber.org/cycles.html)

    Since 1962
    • GDP growth has been 75% higher under Democratic Presidents.
    • Business Investment Growth has been 126% higher under Democratic Presidents.
    • Unemployment has been 15% higher under Republican Presidents.
    • Average increase in weekly earnings have been positive under Democratic Presidents and negative under Republican Presidents

    Job Growth
    Democratic Presidents have helped create 21 million more jobs than Republican Presidents, and on year-to-year basis jobs have grown nearly twice as fast under Democratic Presidents as under Republican Presidents.
    • Total jobs created under Democratic Presidents: 68,312,000
    • Total jobs created under Republican Presidents: 32,194,000
    • Average yearly growth in jobs under Democratic Presidents: 1,952,000
    • Average yearly growth in jobs under Republican Presidents: 825,500

    GDP Growth
    Real Gross Domestic Product growth under Democratic Presidents has been 75% higher than during Republican Presidents.
    • Average GDP growth per year under Democratic Presidents: 3.50%
    • Average GDP growth per year under Republican Presidents: 2.02%

    Business Investment Growth
    Real business investment growth under Democratic Presidents has been 126% higher than under Republican Presidents.
    • Average growth per year under Democratic Presidents: 6.6%
    • Average growth per year under Republican Presidents: 2.92%

    Federal Budget Deficits
    Federal budget deficits under Republican Presidents collectively are 54% higher than under Democratic Presidents (as a percentage of GDP, Republican Presidents have been 65% higher than Democratic Presidents).
    • Democratic Presidents' annual deficits averaged 2.07% of GDP
    • Republican Presidents' annual deficits averaged 3.42% of GDP
    • Total Democratic Budget Deficits: $8,085.1 billion
    • Total Republican Budget Deficits: $12,442.5 billion

    Unemployment
    Unemployment under Republican Presidents has been 15% higher than under Democratic Presidents.
    • Average unemployment per year during Democratic Presidents: 5.59%
    • Average unemployment per year during Republican Presidents: 6.43%

    Growth In Spending
    Federal Spending has increased twice as fast under Republican Presidents than under Democratic Presidents
    • Democratic Presidents' annual spending increased by an average of $36.9 billion per year
    • Republican Presidents' annual spending increased by an average of $78.6 billion per year

    Balance of Trade
    Trade deficits under Republican Presidents have been 39% higher than under Democratic Presidents.
    • Total trade deficit under Democratic Administrations (in millions): $5,625,690
    • Total trade deficit under Republican Administrations (in millions): $7,042,879
    Where does this data come from? WH and CBO data, Statistical Abstracts of the United States, the Economic Reports of the President, and the US Census Bureau.

    http://presidentialdata.org/Democrats_and_the_Economy-7-20e.pdf

    Excuse me, was it a republican or a democrat who inspired the attack on the capitol?

    Y'all are losing it.
     
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    Yeah, nothing spells debate competence than a meme.

    Memes are not arguments.
     
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    To some, govt is their religion (or their god). They assign it supernatural powers, get a kick out of following its edicts, want to coerce others to follow its edicts, bestow upon it a 'divine right' where it has the ultimate authority in what is moral, look up to those who carry more of its authority, even get angry when it is criticized.

    It makes total sense why the worshippers of govt want to get rid of religion ...the religious have always tended to have animosity toward competing religions.
     
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    i don't know who that guy is, but you make a great point. belief in global warming or vaccines should be as tax free as conservative religions like scientology
     

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