More lies about Israel and hospitals

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    Good post
     
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    So, Hamas took some they kidnapped to al Shifa hospital.

    Can you think of a reason they might do that?

    It is absolutely false that the only casualties in Gaza are fighters. The UN and others are giving aid there and there are reporters on the ground. You can't pull this kind of nonsense. You can't look out your airplane window and slaughter only fighters.

    US policy has not cared about Palestinian lives since the first GW Bush administration. In fact, the US aids and arms Israel and protects Israel politically while they carry out their atrocities in West Bank and Gaza.
     
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    Look at the pictures of Gaza.

    Then try to defend Israel by stories that don't suggest the problem is sniper rifles.
     
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    Ehud Barak, the UN workers on the ground, the USA, Netanyahu - these are not anti-Israel sources.
     
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    Israel has been attacking all areas of Gaza and gave NO indication where Gazan's would be safe. At one point the people were told to go south. But, Israel was attacking in the south, too.

    Almost 2/3 of Gaza's population has been food insecure for years and depends on knowing how to survive where they are.

    Telling the people that they need to run for their lives is no more than a fear tactic.

    Where were these people supposed to get food, water and shelter for their families as they walk away from the destruction of their homes?
     
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    What strong evidence? They found a tunnel that Israel is being accused of being the one who build them in the first place. And the accusation comes from Ehud Barak who said it live on CNN. The Israeli accusation it's some kind of commando center is just unproven with showing a tunnel.
     
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  7. Esau

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    Haaretz and times of Israel both state that the October 7th event is not all what it seems.
     
  8. Esau

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    Al Jazeera is coming out as the go to source here, no doubt
     
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  9. georgephillip

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    Why would you believe Israel's account based on its long history of lies?

    https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/...tent&eId=08d1488f-d2d3-4035-b3c7-dda0caa6fab1

    "Israel’s settler colonial state was founded on lies.

    "It is sustained by lies.

    "And now, when it is grimly determined to carry out the worst slaughter and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians since the 1948 Nakba, or 'catastrophe,' that saw 750,000 Palestinians ethnically cleansed and some 50 massacres by Jewish militias, it spits out one grotesque absurdity after another."
     
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    What part of “leave northern Gaza” do you think they didn’t understand? Lol!

    What part of “if you are anywhere near hamas terrorists or military assets which you are very well aware where those are since they aren’t secret they have stockpiles of weapons behind MRI machines and under school desks” do you think they didn’t understand? Lol!

    telling people to leave where you are going to bomb is a “fear tactic”? Lol!

    So let me get this straight, you both blame Israel for not saying anything while simultaneously saying what they said is just fear tactics. Which is it??

    sounds like you have no idea what you’re talking about. Glad you came to me so I could clear some really easy concepts up for you.
     
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    The Jewish state demands over a million people move to where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medical aid and it's also a place where they bomb. It's genocidal.

    The part where the Jewish state is unable to proof that Hamas was there.

    It is when they move where the Jews bomb them there as well.

    They are indeed bombing indiscriminately everything. Hence the Jewish state already slaughtered more civilians in these few weeks than the Russians did in Ukraine since the start of their war.

    Depriving millions of people, on PURPOSE, of getting food, water and medical aid... it's just genocidal. And I don't think how this is reflecting on the Jews lol!
     
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    It's not that easy.

    Israel did not suggest where they could go or how they could get there. They didn't suggest how such refugees could find food, water or shelter - or safe healthcare. They didn't say anything about transport of those in al Shifa hospital.

    Telling a million people to run for their lives is not a plan. Plus, Hamas hears that, too, so why should those who are running believe they are safe? Israel has stated that they can kill anyone they want to kill.

    You offer two options, but that's false logic. There aren't just two options.

    There are options that show that Israel is aware that Palestinians in Gaza are humans who have been living in destitution for their entire lives due to Israel.

    Then, you MOCK them??
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    True. US information sources are improving, but that has come at a cost to those who have careers in wartime journalism and have suffered due to telling truth to power.

    There are other sources that will be significant - in fact, are significant now. And, they won't be so easily ignored.

    One is that photographs from the sky are being taken nearly every day of all of Gaza. These are being taken in wavelengths that do not require sunlight, pierce clouds and otherwise form a serious record.

    They are at a resolution that can show walls that were damaged and other similar detail.

    The result is a detailed record of damage in Gaza on nearly a daily basis.

    When Israel is finally held to task, high tech analysis will be available - in addition to the reports and video evidence of aid workers, news teams, etc.
     
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    Yep, Israeli propaganda is being ridiculed from the hospital videos.

     
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    (Answered in another post.)

    Question:

    I hear that the following song has been playing on Israeli broadcast media:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV0pEUXMz6M

    The song begins at about 1:48 into this vid.

    Have you seen this? Can you refute this?

    Do you know where it is coming from? That is, in today's environment one has to be careful of claims and sources as I'm sure you are aware.
     
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  16. WillReadmore

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    "More than two-thirds of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million have fled their homes. The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, or UNRWA, is struggling to provide basic services to hundreds of thousands of people sheltering in and around schools and other facilities. Seventeen of its facilities have been directly hit, the agency said."

    "Their misery has worsened in recent days with the arrival of winter, with cold winds and driving rain."

    https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees


    So, they left their homes in the north and now they are bombed in the south.

    Do you think Palestinians didn't see this coming?
     
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    .005% of the population killed assuming you believe terrorists which of course you do is “genocidal”

    Lol!

    But feel free to do what no one has been able to do yet which is explain how to defeat Hamas in a way that doesn’t kill civilians.
     
  18. WillReadmore

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    Netanyahu could have allowed Hamas to give themselves up to the unity government of President Abbas - something Hamas wanted to do, but Netanyahu would not allow.

    They could have offered Gaza some hope of ever, in their lifetimes, reaching a point where the war being waged by Israel against them would start ending.

    Israel could have demonstrated that the negotiations-only strategy of President Abbas offered hope, rather than to continue bulldozing the homes of Palestinians, etc. etc.

    You might remember that when President Bush tried to form negotiations, Israel demanded the right to continue stealing the land of Palestinians in West Bank who were farming and living on that land - THROUGHOUT NEGOTIATIONS!!

    What does that mean concerning Israel and border negotiations? Israel just proved that negotiations would be in bad faith only.

    The idea that Israel, a superpower in the region, was so thoroughly trapped by Hamas, a starving people, with no way out other than genocide is just too fabulously stupid to believe someone said it.
     
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  19. Jack Hays

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    There is nothing in Barak's account that contradicts Israel's claim.
     
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    That would be because it’s the Palestinian governments responsibility, not Israel’s. You don’t seem to understand how war works. When you go to war against a country you are not responsible to feed, water, clothe, shelter, etc your enemies civilian population while that population is still in control of their government.

    So tell me. Exactly how much responsibility are you willing to put on Hamas for failing to protect their civilians in any meaningful way whatsoever?


    Answer: exactly none. Hamas can do whatever the hell it wants in your view. Hamas can even attack israel and slaughter civilians and that’s okay with you too. It must be, because you are not critical of Hamas at all and even want them protected from all harm.

    your Hamas colors are showing. Hence why you say there are options like you’re reasonable when that reason is just a world where Hamas continues to do whatever they want because you’d like them to. Why do you want them to continue to exist to kill more Israelis?? Why do you want more civilian suffering?
     
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    Where are they bombed in the south? How many bombs? How many dead? What were the circumstances of those bombings? Explain.
     
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    Netanyahu did not control events in Gaza. Israel evacuated all of Gaza and then Palestinians burned to the ground anything having to do with Judaism and then voted to have Hamas take over, which they did and diverted all assets to their war machine rather than help their people not be in poverty.

    your take is simple historical fantasy
     
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    For decades, Israel has been committing humanitarian atrocities in Gaza. Just one is the very fact that they have maintained decades of war on Gaza while refusing all negotiations is an internationally recognized atrocity.

    International groups, including the UN have stated this repeatedly.

    The bombings in the Jabaliya refugee camp are an ABSOLUTE atrocity. There is NO justification for the slaughter of Palestinians in that refugee camp.
     
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    There’s a reason you can’t back anything up with properly sourced links.
     
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    Please. try a bit of honesty here. They found a lot more than "a tunnel" and you know it. Weapons caches, laptops, documents, and evidence that some of the hostages were kept there. I guess since it doesn't fit your narrative, you dismiss it out of hand.
     
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