More lies about Israel and hospitals

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  1. mswan

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    Hamas acts of war, the Hamas Covenent, and their chants of "From the river to the sea. Palestine will be free" indicate otherwise.
     
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    That describes Hamas but certainly not Israel.
     
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    I agree that Israel has lost the propaganda war. But it doesn't change the truth. Truth is not on the side of Hamas. Sorry.
     
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    well Hamas has the woke, the Neo-Nazis, the Alphabet agenda (which is hilarious given the fact that Islamists kill gays, lesbians etc) and the Domestic America haters on their side. I think most sensible people in the USA support Israel
     
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    Hamas has the anti-semites and nobody else.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    but lots of their supporters in the USA are the woke left and everyone else who hates the USA and its allies
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    War isn't only measured by the dead, though there have been plenty of Gazans kill by Israel.

    Just the fact that Gaza is embargoed for decades is war. More than half the population is food insecure. They aren't allowed to fish their own waters. They can't export. They have severe restrictions on travel. Israel denies Gazans access to land that is near the Israeli barrier fence - demonstrated by shooting at farmers who plow those fields.

    Gaza has been denied access to oil and gas that has been found off their coast.

    There is no question that this has been war.
     
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    Today, the question is what might cause this slaughter to end. Israel can never claim it has killed all Hamas.

    As the UN official stated in my cites above, this IS genocide.

    Genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf
     
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    The atrocity perpetrated by Hamas did not come anywhere close to being genocide.

    Israel is a major world power.
     
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    It's the way how they are indiscriminately slaughtered that counts not the %.

    You're free to explain how Russia who has been targeting whatever all the time, has so far killed less civilians in a WHOLE year compared to Israel in a month.
     
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    Israel's decades of war on Gaza is genocide.

    The recent wanton slaughter of civilians including children is just one act in that genocide.
     
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    The entire point of the Jewish state is that there is a command center there, and they showed nothing that proves that with a handful of small arms, a couple of laptops and "documents" that showed the names of the week, not the names of who was taking care of the captives on what day of the week. While that tunnel was build by the Jewish state themselves.
     
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    Good point.

    It makes our news when the Russian war against Ukraine includes a Russian attack that kills 2 civilians.

    In Gaza, we don't even know within 2 THOUSAND how many Israel has killed.
     
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    I'm fine with that part.

    BUT, I am NOT find with Israel's genocide - which has gone on for decades and includes their atrocities in West Bank.
     
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    Israel protects her citizens. I approve.

    A word of advice to Hamas: Stop trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel. You'll be happier and live longer.
     
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    Please explain where in the definition it mentions manner of death.

    It doesn’t. You know what it mentions? Quantity and intent.

    And there is no quantity or intent in the number behind your Terrorist-provided numbers.


    learn definitions of words. It really really helps

    gen·o·cide
    /ˈjenəˌsīd/
    noun
    1. the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group


    did I say Russia is committing genocide? Where did I do that? Or you just setting up a strawman?

    Russia is targeting civilians but is not committing genocide

    Israel is targeting Hamas and killing both civilians and terrorists both but is also not committing genocide.

    and I’m able to ascertain that because I actually know definitions of words
     
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    Indeed. There is no quantity so your idea that a % matters, is false.
    As for intent. It reads "the deliberate killing". So there it is.
     
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    There is quantity. Quantity= large number, as specifically mentioned in the definition. lol you didn’t even know large number means quantity?! Are you for real??? Hahahaha!

    perhaps if you stopped making words you are supposed to read and understand into tiny font it’d be easier. Lol!

    And no, no one is deliberately killing civilians. Prove Israel is avoiding terrorists and only going after civilians. I’d love to know how they could do that and only kill .005% of the population.

    The very fact Israel has killed so few people emphasizes the point they aren’t targeting them. If they were they would all be dead. And you would know what an actual genocide looks like
     
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    It's not a % wise thing, as mentioned. And so far the Jewish state massacred 3 times the amount of 9/11. And more than the Russians killed in a whole year.

    And you're deflecting away from the fact there is intent in the definition of the word.

    The Jewish state is indiscriminately busy trying to prevent millions of civilians getting food, clean water and medical aid. The sheer number of women and children it massacres shows that they also don't care how many civilians get massacred by them like that. And it shows.
     
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    that's different than supporting Hamas. Tell us why Israeli should do anything that helps Hamas? and if it turns out that the Islamist terrorists have killed a bunch of the hostages, Israel should eliminate every single Hamas terrorist they can
     
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    actually what that shows is that the Hamas scum don't care how many civilians are killed. Indeed, Hamas is hoping for lots of civilian deaths-not just the ones that Hamas directly caused but those that it indirectly caused
     
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    excellent point-if Israel really wanted to kill civilians-even the ones that actively support Hamas but do not engage in terrorist operations directly the IDF could have carpet bombed all of Gaza. the IDF has complete and total air superiority over the Jihadist criminals and has the firepower to do that. That would -other than perhaps the hostages-cost Israel far less casualties since October 7
     
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    The scum of the Jewish state killed far more.
    And the way they are genocidal with deliberately depriving millions of civilians of getting food, clean water and medical aid ... that's just genocidal and fascist.
     
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    I hope our support will remain with the Israelis. Whenever the Arabs threaten to destroy them I want them to expand their borders, and ethnically cleanse the land they conquered. They should have done this right after winning the Six Day War in 1967. It would have saved them a lot of trouble with the Palestinians.
     
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