More than 50 rockets fired from Gaza: Israeli killed

I agree 100%.

 

You are very mistaken, snakestretcher

You and others in this forum who ardently support the "palllies" are confusing the Arabs of modern "Palestine" with the ancient "Philistines". Both groups are completely and distinctly different.

 

No we are not. The name Palestine is from Palestina, which was derived from Philistina, but that was just a name popular in a non-Jewish part of Israel that the Romans decided to rename the province with after the Judean rebellion (you know, Josephus, Masada, first expulsions, etcetera). What Israeli apologists seem to forget is Eretz Israel (Israel at its largest extent historically) has ALWAYS included non-Jewish peoples. The Canaanites, the Edomites and Moabites were conquered and crushed as a culture but unless you want to argue the Israelis practiced outright genocide some of those people remained on the land.

Then you had the Philistines and their cousins the Phoencians along the coastal areas (which were NEVER predominately Jewish until the Zionist settlements) and prior to the Romans you have the Arameans (who had such an influence that some of the New Testament was written in Aramaic by Jews) and the Samaritans (who appear to have been close cousins of the Jews and who shared some Jewish customs and beliefs but who were definitely not proper Jews).

Then, after the expulsions you had Christian Syrians creep in from the North (not Arabs - Syrians) and Muslim Arabs from the Great Jihad. You later had Crusaders and Christian pilgrims enter the mix, and even some Turks from the various Turkish periods (a fair number of the Palestinians have Turkish blood rather than Arab ancestors). Add in some lapsed Jews who converted to Christianity and/or Islam and you have quite the mix of peoples.

In a way it reminds you of the American melting pot, except it has been going on for thousands of years rather than for hundreds of years. Thus, the Palestinians are not the Philistines, but they are the people who have lived on the land from anywhere from a hundred to several thousand years (on average, maybe 1200 years?). To deny them their claim to the land of their ancestors is to deny anyone's similar claim anywhere in the world. How many generations have lived on the land you live on, James Cessna?

 

you really are emotionally twisted about this. First you say you have no factual evidence, then you say you have circumstantial evidence. You get called on it and voila, it now becomes about me, not the issue you raised about Israel nefariously staging a rocket attack so they could deflect the Israeli public from their "social justice" demonstrations.

so when you're called out, and you are forced to admit its merely speculation, you deflect by calling me closed minded and then falsely accuses me of justifying incredible cruelty.

Your debating skills rank right up there with most skilled kindergarten student.
Tangential, non-responsive, 90% emotion, 10% fact. You;re not a ********* by any chance?

 

For the record:

I said 'history'...and I then mentioned history...Old, fat one going to the Mount, 8:1 kill ratio, they refuse to give the Palestinians freedom, treating them like animals...historical facts.

More?

Christmas invasion, artillery shelling of civilians, starving the Palestinians (according to the UN), and so on and so on.


And I said nothing about Israel staging rocket attacks...you lied just there.

I said they are provoking the Gazans...I did not say how.

And I 'know' they are.

Just as everyone 'knows' but cannot prove Israel has nukes...it's common knowledge.


That's not good enough for you...tough.

You are aware of but do not condemn the cruelty that Israel inflicts on helpless Palestinians.

That makes you unworthy of my respect and my time on this issue.

Your attitude disgusts me.

Now buzz off and go and support your pathetic Apartheid-style government.

Your country was great.

Now it is the hemorrhoid on the anus of society...causing pain and misery out of all relation to it's actual size.

 

Sharon to the temple mount was a good excuse. An 8:1 kill ratio is to be expected given the disproportionate strength. Palestinian freedom in the form of ending the occupation is a two way street. Treating them like animals is just a stupid emotional claim without merit.

Christmas invasion? you mean the raid where they arrested 5 militants on Dec 17th, 2008. There is no starvation in Gaza and not one person died from starvation - that was a canard. there is malnutrition in kids, but not starvation'

so I guess either I mis-interpreted what you said below :

Its common knowledge because they have them and the proof is there if you want to look for it. Or did you think Vannunu was a ploy?

I condemn the oppression, brutality and cruelty displayed at times by Israel. I also condemn the oppression, brutality and cruelty displayed at times by Palestinians.

I know I would resist an occupation of my people. I don't blame the palestinians for resisting, I blame them for stupidity, incompetence, and the unique ability to screw things up every time some progress is made.

Suicide bombings, rocket attacks are but pinpricks. Hamas for one are totally irresponsible in continuing this idiotic form of resistance. it kills lots of the people they claim to be trying to liberate for the incredibly dubious PR benefits. Not once have the "gotten away" with it, nor forced Israel to do something it didn't want to do. Definition of insanity.

But hey I know you can only see the world in black and white. Nuance is beyond your understanding.

Your distain and disgust does wonders for my self esteem. Thanks.

Ooooh. If I was an Israeli you might have irritated me with that one, but I am neither Israeli nor jewish.

Not only was my country great, it still is and getting better all the time.

 

You are obviously rather desperate to debate me - strange. And a tad creepy.

I assume an insulting, sarcastic justification will follow.

Show me unbiased, factual proof or your words mean nothing.

And since you cannot...


And btw...you clearly are biased.

Less then I thought (my apology)...more then you obviously know.

My mistake (means I can save those insults for another time...I quite enjoyed typing them)...where are you from?

I hope for your sake not America.

 

Place a few howitsers and compete with the Palestinians with lobbing missiles.

 

Assassinating some fascists in Amsterdam might pre-empt the spread of ethnic conflict.

 

Im both Jewish and Israeli, you can try to insult me anytime.


We cannot prove something that doesnt happen, you need to prove that something IS happening.

With all the reporters in Gaza, with all the Palestinain propagande experience, no one finds a camera to picture the famine?? furthermore, show me the palestinian thas sais there is starvation.

And final thing, who do you think supply part of Israel consuption of vegtables and eggs?, you guessed it...

Dont trust everything you read, the Palestinians do suffer alot but there is no genocide and no famine, and im not typing things i read or that someone told me, i live here, i serve in the west bank every year and i probebly know more palestines than most of you (althou they probebly like you more).

 

Religion and country has nothing to do with my 'insult'.

It's for anyone who thinks the Israeli treatment of the Palestinian is remotely justified.

 

Sounds pretty much identical to how the Einsatzgruppen tried to break the resistence of the Poles and Russians.

 

It does and we dont even remotly act like that, for example unless in full declared war,the army notifies when its about to bomb and where, the gov wants to show it responded to the attacks but doesnt want any casualties - thus hopes to regain quite.

Do you know there is a command not to fire on a veachile that breaks throu a road block? only if he tried to run over a soldier and even then as long as the life threatning situation contiunes - that is if he drove away - hold fire,

Why? once soldires fired on a car that a car thief drove and didnt want to get caught, they killed him and he was some big shot son so a riot broke and this command was issued.

 

The Palestinians rejected their own state to fight in an attempt to create 2nd rate jewish subjects, they have never given up and will never given up unless they are truly defeated.

Deport them to Egypt.