Most Americans (71%) Oppose Transgender Agenda

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  1. Zorro

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    Your claim is false. You explained that you know nothing about the law I was discussing.

    You seem to be trying to pick a personal fight here, which I have no interest in.

    When you have learned something about the law I mentioned, I'd be happy to have a civil discussion about it,
     
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    Thankfully, we didn’t let the Christians settle it when the Bible was written because it tells you to kill gay people.
     
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    Yes, Male and Female body parts are part of it however, (in the wider sense) the ova and sperm are all that is needed according to biology.
    The ova ~ Woman. The sperm ~ Man.
    Why?
    The lose of a man’s penis or even testicles after being born does not alter the fact that he remains A Man according to biology.

    If, a person loses multiple body parts do they cease to be a person/human being? No.

    Women have “resting” eggs in ovaries since prior to birth. Eggs must move from the “resting” state into the “active” state. Eggs attempt to become “active” continuously through childhood. That’s how the egg number go down drastically. They can’t mature. There are No hormones to drive development. Hormones allow the “activated” eggs to mature. That begins to happen during the stages of puberty. The eggs compete to be “the” egg that will ovulate. After eggs commit to the maturation process, no turning back, they achieve ovulation or they die. The problem for women is not because they have no eggs. The problem is the failure of a successful ovulation. That problem does not exclude her from being A Woman because she actually had ova (eggs) prior to begin born.

    Trying to find it does not involve a lot of nuance. It involves years of medical, biological research and accumulated knowledge over many years.
    Please provide the proof for nuance concerning the subject matter we have been debating.TIA.

    https://www.centerforhumanreprod.com/contents/understanding-infertility/causes-of-infertility/ovulatory-dysfunction


    Ovulatory problems account for 20 to 30% of infertility cases. A normal adult women ovulates every 25 to 32 days. Ovulation is actually a process of maturing eggs that have been “resting” in the ovaries since birth. Each day throughout a woman’s life until she reaches menopause, a few eggs move from the “resting” state into an “active” state.

    Even though eggs attempt to become “active” continuously through childhood, they can not mature since there are no hormones to drive their development. Hormones that can allow the “activated” eggs to mature only become available after a women reaches puberty. Once the eggs begin to mature they compete with each other to become “the” egg that will ovulate. After eggs commit to the maturation process, there is no turning backwards, they either achieve successful ovulation or they die.

    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/nuance
    Use nuance to refer to a very small difference in color, meaning, or feeling.
    1. Nuance ~ noun ~ “a subtle difference in meaning or opinion or attitude”
     
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  4. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For centuries gays weren’t accepted, now they are. Shouldn’t that make you happy?
     
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    You still haven’t answered the question I asked in post #5. That answer must be awfully damaging to your point.
     
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    There are problems that need to be worked out. Many times there is no handicapped facility, some women who look like men, and some men who look like women, and women who need assurances they won't be confronted with men in their restrooms or women who look like men. Also, men who look like women should not have to use the men's restroom.

    The solution of XX to the women's restroom and XY to the men's doesn't work. This XX is not someone many women want to see in their restroom...

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    This XY should not have to go to the men's restroom.

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    No one said we have to associate with trans people.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Huh? The answer to your questions in post 5 is approve and approve.
     
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    I don’t think that reproductive cells, the organs, or anything related to the body has anything to do with it. Speaking from a purely biological point of view, a drop of blood can be analyzed and determined if it’s male or female.
     
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    I’m not sure Christians accept gay people. There might be a few churches here or there, but the majority of mainstream churches are not very accepting of openly gay people, oppose gay weddings, and wont even bake a cake for a gay wedding. The rest of society has moved on, despite Christianity acting like that. Christians definitely aren’t paving the way for gay people to be accepted. Christians are the people primarily responsible for holding them back.
     
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    That doesn’t begin to even make sense. The question was “Do you have the poll reports for both survey questions”
     
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    I'd say, "Of course!" but I don't think some people are at all caring or concerned about what happens to trans people.
     
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    Who is trying to cram what down your throat?
     
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    What does this have to do with my comment?
     
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    You asked about Muslims. I don't think many have experienced Muslims who say homosexuals should be killed.
    They certainly have.
     
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    That it is not likely to be the issue you think it will.
     
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    Hockey pucks. You think the incidence of perversion has been flat-lined since before Ancient Greece was having gay orgies to today? You think how a society responds or treats perversion has no impact upon its incidence? Some people gonna be perverts. My values are libertarian. Do as you like in your own privacy. But stay the hell away from kids.

    Um, straight guy exposes his anus to kids for giggles, I'd want him treated very harshly.

    How about if he wears some S&M outfits to a comic con? Same. There's a difference between dressing like Batman and the geek from Pulp Fiction and people know it.

    Again, my values are libertarian. Do as you like in privacy but stay the hell away from kids.

    But we do protect children from the depraved. That's all that is going on here. The time and place to engage in perversion is definitely not when it is in front of kids.

    Your argument appears to be that it is OK to anal rape small children if they don't really understand what you're doing. That is very sick.
     
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    He didn’t say anything remotely close to that. What is sick is that is where your mind went. <shrug>
     
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    That's not what we're seeing. What we see is it's not OK to be LGBTQ at all in public. Frankly, kid's don't care unless taught otherwise by their parents and other adults.
     
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    "The kids you're talking about have no frame of reference that makes it sexual."

    People gonna wear blinders when facts are inconvenient, especially when acting like apologists for apparent would be child rapists.

    I certainly didn't appreciate that video of a bared assed man engaging in simulated S&M on a truck at a pride parade.
    How the heck would anyone know to care about other than straights (O.T.S.) if such people simply presented themselves in accordance with Western social conventions?
     
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    You're the only one talking about raping children. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    And you appear to be acting like an apologist for logic that argues it is OK to rape children. Oh well.

    Again, a poster argued that it is OK to engage in perversion in front of kids as they, "have no frame of reference that makes is sexual." Follow the logic if you are not wearing blinders.
     
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    Kleinfelter individuals have physical problems that may make the issue moot for them, but they could be part of a court case to overturn restrictions on trans athletes. Justice Jackson might have been forced to recuse herself if she defined a woman in her confirmation hearing. She was right to avoid answering.

    I would define women as XX and let everyone compete in the men's or "open" category, women included. Women athletes should not have to compete against biological males.
     
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    Baloney, this trans nonsense is a social contagion egged on by leftist activists.
     
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    There's the crux of the matter. Who gets to decide what is "normal"? And is it living a normal life if anyone is expected to acquiesce to how it is defined by the minority?

    I have no problem with trans trying to live what they deem to be normal, but I do have a problem when they try to force (by legislature or intimidation) others to conform to their idea of what is normal. You've indicated that it's a social construct, not a scientific matter upon which the trans community is predicated upon. Final question: Does this mean that science can/should be ignored whenever it conflicts with our beliefs? That's a slippery slope to argue for.
     
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    No one argued it is ok to rape children. That argument only exists in your head. Which is rather telling. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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