Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans

I'm not moving anything.

Saying single payer will never be cheaper and asking you how single payer would be less expensive, as you claimed, is the same question.

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If you can only pay 75% of your electric bill are you running out of funds.

 

Of course they do, because those selling single payer and 'Medicare for all' are not being told what that really entails. And the surrogate Democrat media isn't about to do their jobs and inform anybody about what that would mean. Sad.

 

No, I don't cancel private insurance. People just stop buying it because it will be more expensive.
I can then use some of that money to subsidize if I so chose.

 

If you can't pay your electric bill you need to find more money.

 

The only govt ran plans are Medicare and Medicaid

 

What did you say? Higher taxes?

Yeah that's how democrats think.

Me, I'd use less electricity.

 

Really.

Maybe you can tell me how single payer is cheaper than private insurance.

 

Don't you think Medicare is cheaper than private insurance?

 

Of course it's not. I'm asking you why you think it would be cheaper.

There's two scenarios: government insurance only, private and government insurance.

You chose the "private and government" option.

Please explain how the government running health care makes it cheaper, especially when there's an option not to have it.

 

What makes you think it needs to be done your way. I like my way better.
I'll just give you a couple reasons it's cheaper and you can work on proving me wrong.
1- There is no profit from the insurance companies in gov't health care.
2- The pool for Medicare will be Yuge.

 

It's not "my way". I'm using your input.

1 - There is no profit from USPS either, but it still costs us more than FedEx.
2 - Only if everyone is forced to pay for Medicare.

We have at least two examples now of government run health care. Medicare and the VA. How are those working right now for their patients and taxpayers?

 

I haven't seen any of those FedEx stamps yet. Are they collectors items?
FedEx and UPS still use the USPS for most rural deliveries.
Medicare works great. The VA should never have tried to expand nation wide to service a few million patients. It's kinda like the pool size.
Medicare already has the largest pool. That's why they can set payments.
But sticking with insurance.
You would agree Medicare eliminates one level of profit?
And at close to 50 million it has the largest pool.

 

Fedex also doesn't cost the US taxpayer about 4 billion per year in addition to those collectible stamps.

You must not know anyone on Medicare, which also costs us 582 billion per year.

You must not be familiar with the VA waiting times, which doesn't do much for your small pool size argument.

What are the largest costs associated with health care?

1. administration costs - We all know that won't get any smaller under the government
2. drug costs - How does medicare lower drug costs
3. lawsuits - Will you not be able to sue on medicare?
4. specialized exams - Will we do away with these
5. salaries - Do we lower how much we pay health care providers?

The current proposal for medicare for all would cost us an additional 3 trillion per year. That's over $8000 for every man, woman and child in the US.

So for a family of four, they would be paying $32k per year for medicare, plus the costs of those who can't pay.

This assumes a 40% reduction across the board in how much medicare pays out to hospitals.

Does that sound cheaper to you?

 

Nah, you’re a republican so you’d cut taxes lol

 

That's what I just said.

I understand why you didn't get it though.

 

Of course admin costs are lower. Just an example:

Office Secretary Health and Human Services Salaries of 2017. The Office Secretary Health and Human Services had 9,391 employees in 2015 with an average pay (base salary + bonus) of $81,819.98.
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Stephen Hemsley, UnitedHealthGroup—$279.3 million.

2 & 3 &4 - no.
5 - Yeah a little.

Your forgetting we currently spend 3.5 trillion on health care.

 

Clearly you're not familiar with governmental administration. If you think there are high admin costs now, wait until there are legions of GS5 to GS12 admin offices all over the place.

The government doesn't run anything cheaper because A) they don't have to even consider doing stuff cheaper or more efficiently B) they have no reason to even consider giving good service as there would be zero competition

No, I'm not forgetting. I was hoping you'd mention the current cost.

So your plan is to spend 6.5 trillion per year under medicare for all, which puts us at over $64k for a family of four PLUS we'd have to pay for those getting medicare at no cost.

I'm not seeing the "cheaper" in your plan.

 

Why would you need offices all over the place. Just use the existing Medicare system.
There is no competition to Medicare and it's still about 30% cheaper.
I have no idea where you are getting 6.5 trillion for Medicare for all. Why don't you post a link?

 

The same reason you have DMV's all over the place.

Government run healthcare would be like going to the DMV only 10 times worse.

Well, 3.5 for existing medicare, plus 3 trillion more to put everyone else on medicare. Pretty easy math. Of course it would cost a lot more than 3 trillion more for everyone else, but that's a different discussion.

 

We have numerous examples of how single payer is cheaper. Every single first world nation that has it, gets better care at a fraction of the price we pay.

 

It's not cheaper. Those countries pay more taxes and get longer wait times, doctor shortages and bed shortages.

 

No profit built into premiums, half the administration cost. Better negotiating power with providers, lowering cost of care which in turn lowers cost of the insurance.

That’s how it’s cheaper.

 

Nope. Single payer is a fraction of the cost of our system. Wait times are slightly longer for non emergency surgeries. There is no doctor shortages or bed shortages. Single payer is empirically proven to be superior to our system.

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

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