MP's sworn in on the Koran and Jewish Family bible

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  1. Oxyboy

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    BEFORE union boss turned western Sydney MP Ed Husic takes his seat in the 43rd parliament of Australia, history will be made.

    Mr Husic, the son of Yugoslavian migrants, is the first Muslim elected to federal parliament and will today become the first MP sworn in by the Chief Justice of the High Court with his hand on a copy of the Koran.

    The Blacktown-based former national president of the Communications Electrical and Plumbing Union arrived in Canberra yesterday carrying with him the Koran of his proud migrant parents who will watch from parliament's public gallery as he takes his oath.

    While playing down his religion and the significance of his contribution to Australian political history, the MP for Chifley said "getting elected to parliament, full stop, is an enormous privilege".

    But Mr Husic conceded others might well see his oath as a significant moment for Muslim Australians.

    "Given my background, there are some people taking a small slice of pride or happiness."

    The swearing-in of MPs at the commencement of a new parliament is an occasion of great ceremony, and the newly elected member for Kooyong, Josh Frydenberg, will also bring with him an Old Testament Bible of great sentimentality.

    The Hawthorn-based lawyer will today be sworn in on the same Bible his friend and mentor Zelman Cowen used in 1977 when he was sworn in as governor-general.

    The ornate book, printed in Israel in 1971, is made from the plates of the London Edition of the 1881 Jewish Family Bible.



    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...le/story-fn5taogy-1225930473134#ixzz2XrGyvenO


    Thoughts?

    Do you get to say no to swearing in on any religious "book of tales" if you have no religion?
     
  2. slipperyfish

    slipperyfish Well-Known Member

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    As an atheist, what did Gillard swear on ?
     
  3. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you just swear an oath without holding the bible or Koran?
     
  4. mister magoo

    mister magoo New Member

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    If you are an atheist, you may "solemnly and sincerely swear and affirm"...you do not need the Bible.
    All oaths are taken by either placing your hand on the Bible or holding it in your hand.
    Now we have a Muslim politician.....where did I read that Muslims are not permitted into China...hhmmmm...
     
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    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    Nothing.........it is totally optional

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  6. aussiefree2ride

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    Germaine Greer`s famous manual, "How to Bash Balls & Kick Diks".
     
  7. Recusant

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    Hmmm... normally i'm not fussed about religious swearing, as long as one isn't compelled to. But Islam is a different beast. It's a political religion; it more or less includes detail on how to run a government* - an Islamic government. I'm not sure about Jewish or other religions because, let's face it - they're not in the news so i haven't read much about them (but i have some).

    * i use 'government' loosely.

    In an officially secular country, with a secular government i'm not sure swearing by the Koran is entirely compatible. I guess it comes down to how seriously one takes their preferred piece of fiction. It wouldn't surprise me if some fundamentalists had a go at this Muslim gentleman for swearing by the Koran, but also to an arguably largely different set of values by taking office with the words that are spoken.

    But i don't know. Maybe i'm thinking too hard about it.
     
  8. culldav

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    Putting politics aside, its simply horrific, that four young innocent people died doing their work, and these two cretins; Garrett & Rudd in charge of the projects and work are going to get a free walk to “Mayfair” without be held accountable or responsible.

    Surely our countries social morals and ethics have not degrade to this low level that politicians are now excused from causing deaths?

    Shame Australia Shame!!

    There is enough of them in Australia to get one of their own in Federal Government.

    What were those memorable words by “USMC Gomer Pyle” again - Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.

    A decade or so from demanding a separate Muslim State. Hope I’m still around when this stupid country and its do-gooder people falls flat on its face. Can never say they weren't warned.
     
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    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    You know that when it happens, it`ll be "someone else`s" fault. They`ll never get it.
     
  10. USSR

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    Its Ok ,the Abrahamite Religions ,Islam ,Christianity and Judaism are all Political .

    Eg the Official Religion in Australia ,is Christianity as her majesty the Queen of Australia is also head of the Church of England [Christian].

    Luckily the Government is also owned by the Queen ,so as a subject loyal or Otherwise the Queen of England has it all sown up.

    You belong to the Queen as you are her subject and not a citizen of a Republic with individual rights.

    If you think me exaggerating go to any Court in Australia and whose emblems are on display?

    I am a Republican a Socialist Republic of Australia.

    Down with the Queen of England\Australia.

    Hello you live in Asia ,not Europe!

    But as we all know the USA owns Australia's arse , or thinks it does.

    That's why thy think that their Military and spy Bases located at Pine Gap and Darwin are theirs ,with 2500 fully armed Combat troops now permanently based .

    Yep, so servile is the ALP government of Gill\Rudd to the USA that they allow armed invasion without a shot being fire.

    The US 7th Fleet is in joint operations off the Queensland coast as we speak and the target is CHINA!

    Yep US Imperialism is preparing war with our biggest Asian Neighbour and Trading Partner .

    behind your back the ALP Government has also agreed to a Permanent Naval Base for Aircraft Carrier Battle groups in WA ,near Perth.

    Yippee, we are to be the 'Pivot in Asia ' as Obama put it when Gillard invited him to address Australian Parliament.

    Repudiate the ANZUS treaty on that !

    As usual behind the backs of the people!
     
  11. USSR

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    Indeed the dark old days of unrestrained feminist drivel.Have you heard of the Fascist 3rd Wave of feminist Hatred towards all Men ?

    Just as nasty and vicious as any form on Misogyny I will not be lectured by that woman about the need for "gender War' and the reason we hate her was not what was or not between her legs ,but what was between her ears.

    A stinking Trade Union Lawyer Liar ,Corrupt,and stupid.

    A long term member of the ALP ,the Major Party of Pro-Capitalist Policy ,and now setting up CONCENTRATION CAMPS ,for traumatised Refugees in another Country .

    Lovely people the ALP!

    Racist to the Core ,as it drops even lip service to being a Party of the Workers .And rapidly being revealed as the Fascist lurching 'Community ''moving forward' read Middle Class swamp!

    No community in Class Interest ,and the Miners and Bankers are the class that the ALP serves.
     
  12. Recusant

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    Really? I don't know a lot about them but that is certainly not my understanding.

    Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." and like everything in religious texts can be interpreted any way you like. But where in the Christian bible does it have machinations of control of the political process? I'm not saying it doesn't, i'm asking where.

    Meaning what? I was not aware we had an "official religion".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Australia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state#Australia

    A rambling, unreadable and mostly off-topic contribution. Regards.
     

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