Muslim beaten to death in India for killing a cow

That's not how it works. You made the charge so you either offer support or back off.

There is poverty in Christian dominated countries, and the percentage may be high. But it doesn't come close to the spiritual and intellectual poverty found in Islam run countries. And of course the Jews do best of all.

You have no idea what my religion is, which suggests you're a Muslim.

 

And Christian nations took over Europe, the Americas, Africa, Australasia, the Pacific, Sth & Sth East Asia by popular vote? No conquering? No mass murder? No famines? No coerced conversions?

Either you are spectacularly ignorant of your religion's history or you are being deliberately obtuse. Neither reflects well on you.

So Christians ARE worse than Muslims. They just pretend to be good while constantly ignoring the teachings of their supposed savior. What truly terrible people. Of course, Muslims don't claim a 'personal relationship' with their prophet, so the extent to which he can directly influence them is clearly much less than Jesus can influence Christians. So, is Jesus just spectacularly bad at making people good, or is he OK with people sinning?

They can be observed quite easily and they frequently out themselves as believers. I had a lengthy exchange with one who has no issue with lying and seems possessed of an excess of pride. Both sins I believe.

 

When you claimed to be unaware of who the American Christian Right were I took the time and gave you a full answer
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-of-iran-deal.532307/page-51#post-1069069771

Then as now you have no reply but abuse. That is the only reply people will get if they try to debate with the intolerant. They have an agenda not an open mind.

Where people in this thread have made a mistake is in identifying all Christians with the American Christian Right. That is making a similar mistake to that people make when they identify ISIS with Islam and makes arguments ineffective as the Christian Right will point to the good work which progressive Christians do and try and identify themselves with it. The US now has a Christian Right Government. That looks like the way in which the US is headed if people do not wake up soon. They have strong links with the neo cons and have been working in Africa to destroy the ability of genuine Christians to do their work and rather have been encouraging things like the death penalty for gays - similar to Trump joking about Pence wanting them all hung. These are very dangerous people and they are in Government and it is time for the US to wake up but trying to talk to you about it Dobbs, waste of time. Strong bet you are it.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...sm-and-the-Christian-Right-20170301-0002.html

 

As mentioned previously Christians have done some very bad things but that is largely in the past. Muslims are commiting sins today, and every day. Christians, unlike Muslims, are not committing international terrorism against innocent people, nor naming their children after a pedophiile.

Don't be silly.

Many Christians do fall short because they're human beings. But what intelligent people can do is follow the Christian philosophy, as exemplified by Jesus Christ, to be as good as we can be. Mohammed has no redeeming qualities.

No, he is not okay with people sinning but he also preaches forgiveness. You should read the New Testament perhaps, if you're interested in the subject - and it's not illegal where you live.

None of the 'Seven Deadly Sins" was mentioned by Jesus Christ. That came later.

The importance of Jesus Christ can be judged by the many times he's mentioned in the Koran, while the pedophole is only mentioned a few times.

 

So Donald Trump is a member of the Christian Right and that means what? Why does that make you nervous? No one in the first world, apart from Muslims, is encouraging or enforcing the death penalty for Gays.

 

Nobody has to follow Jesus Christ to be good - just respect for others is all it takes, and that has **** all to do with religion.

 

As a Christian you illustrate Christianity as a hate religion.

 

Go back to the link I left. You asked what the Christian right was. I replied http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-of-iran-deal.532307/page-51#post-1069069771

You refused to debate and with all the information I gave you there, you claim I am one of five or six people in the world who know about the Christian Right. You are dishonest.

 

Do you mean past as in 'not this week'? I only ask because I can think of some truly awful atrocities that have been committed by Christians in the past few decades. Millions & millions of dead. Far more than Muslims have killed in a similar or even longer time frame. You really are quite ignorant, aren't you.

Personally I don't know how many children Jesus had sex with, but the organization that rules the lives of half his followers worldwide has gone to considerable length to assist its employees in the raping of children. That seems worse than giving someone a name, but maybe Christians see names as worse than child rape. Maybe committing your life to Jesus or working for one of his churches makes a person want to rape children. Given how poorly his 'personal relationship' with people is at making them good it wouldn't surprise me.

You are the one making all the silly statements. its hard to keep up.

Christ seems to be every bit as bad at getting people to act well as Mohammed, and since they are both figures of the distant past I don't see that it matters if one was personally nicer than another. Following Christ certainly doesn't seem to be any more effective a path to better behavior. In fact, if the past 25 years is a useful guide it is a much, much less effective path. Clearly the example of Jesus doesn't work very well.

Maybe that is the problem. Maybe he keeps telling all those people he has a 'personal relationship' with that he will just forgive their sins, so they don't feel motivated to behave well. That would certainly make sense.

You seem to assume I haven't read it, which is odd given that you are clearly less well read than I am. Nothing illegal about religious texts where I live. I have a nice set of important religious books on my bookshelves. However, as i don't have any interest in justifying all manner of evil and sin in the name of a particular religion I don't follow any of them.

And that should concern me why? Only a Christian would care.

What an odd way to judge importance. You really are a strange person. I suppose I could claim that the importance of Mohammed could be judged by the number of people who bear his name, but I'm not that intellectually shallow.

 

You clearly know nothing about the fundamental belief of Islam. Islam forbids worshiping Muhammad or doing anything in his name. Not even allowed to have any images of him. Your prophet has failed you as you clearly do not follow the words of Jesus, in other words, you are a typical hypocritical Christian

You've asked Bigfella to name those people. You are one of those hypocrites

 

When you think about it though, one man began it all by saying 'cows are sacred', and before y'know it the entire Indian sub-continent adopts the ridiculous belief. And he probably only said it as a joke? Mankind's bovine (apposite adjective or what? lol) stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

 

Here is a typical example of christian hypocrisy. A Hindu mob murder a Muslim and on queue, a Christian attack the victim's religion. A typical Christian who supports the murder of Muslims.

 

Here is another naive hypocritical Christian who thinks that the "savages" in Africa, South America and North America just let the good old' Christians invade their countries and happily became Christian. Christians are the number one hypocrites.

 

There are different versions of it - surprised you haven't noticed. You're obviously quoting from the meek and mild version. Wait till you get to the hard stuff - they'll decapitate someone as soon as look at them.

 

No, he is still more or less correct. Muslims tend to invoke Allah rather than Mohammed when it comes to 'doing things in the name of....'. They see Mohammed as a messenger, not a divinity. In that respect Islam & Judaism are much closer to each other then to Christianity. They both have only prophets, a god and the law. Thus rabbis & mullahs are basically religious lawyers rather than conduits to their god.

Since Christians have this bizarre idea that Jesus is both the son of God and God himself (rather than just a lippy Jewish bloke who crossed the wrong people) they claim he is still 'alive'. That is why they not only invoke him, but claim a 'personal relationship' with him.

If all of that sounds extraordinarily silly then it is only because you are paying attention.

 

They are weird though aren't they, with their mindless rituals, and funny hats and frocks? And that's just the fellas!

 

Then there is all the stuff about hair - how long it can be, what you can or can't have on your face etc. It is all pretty odd to me.

If I had to pick one I reckon some version of Buddhism works for me. I'll have the one where you drive from your huge house to the temple in your BMW, spend a while meditating on how pointless it is to have material stuff, then drive back to the big house in the beamer. You get the group identity & the feel good factor without seeming to have any strict rules to follow.

That said, I'm starting to think Christianity is pretty much identical to that. Just say you believe & do what you want.

 

That sounds more like Capitalism to me.

 

Bad news for you, I'm not christian. I said that I think that members of the mob deserve death penalty. Muslims shouldn't be in India, it doesn't justify to kill them however. Weren't you the one who reproached me to not have red the 21 pages of discussion ?

 

Some of them will belong to the Indentitarian movement born in France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement

 

No, with capitalism you don't have to pretend you aren't greedy & self centred. It is actively encouraged - sort of like some American Evangelical churches.

 

Even if I don't like multiracial societies, I'm not a white supremacist. I don't think that color of skin should matter, only your personnal worth, bravery, smartness, culture, refinement, but here is the problem : every multicultural societies are full of bittered idiots who think that everything revolve around their colour of skin. They don't like a politician because he is honnest and skilled, but because he is black or white. Multiracial societies don't care of worth, they care of how dark or clear is your skin. Without considering the kind of perverted art that kind of societies produce, I don't think that shaking a female ass in front of a camera to show that to 12 YO is an achievement for mankind, neither criminals boasting of their idiot deeds.

I don't like Scott Joplin because he was black, but because he was brillant, I don't like the knight of Saint George because he was half black, but because his music is awesome. But it's impossible to like worthy things in that kind of societies.

 

So you are not a Christian and not an Identitarian though I could imagine them behind some of the ideas you were coming out with last night

Generation Identity:Far-Right Group sending UK recruits to military-style training camps in Europe.

So where do you get your ideas from? Marie Le Penn? or are they just ideas which are flying freely in France? the sort of things people would speak about in the news? Do you still have a state of emergency?

 

That' what Jesus preached. That was his philosophy.

One of his main contributions was that the poor, as well the the rich and powerful, still have a soul and are loved by God. That's an idea that has no support during his lifetime but which still reverberates today. This 'respect for others' was in very short supply until Jesus Christ and now we seem to take it for granted, at least in the Christian influenced world.

 

The poster never said that. This 'Muslim as a victim' card is getting seriously overplayed. It's just one long whine.

If you read the article there have been non Muslims attacked also.