Muslims pridicament

Hi.
Do Muslims live through hardship in the US, particularly BayArea. CA?

 

YES...as most Americans do. The big difference would be that Muslims must decide if the self imposed hardship is worth creating for themselves. My recommendation would be the same I wish Christians would follow.

Go ahead and pray to your God, follow the faith....whatever. Just keep it to yourself and quit expecting others to accept it, no one cares until you make them.

 

Hardship? I think you mean, are Muslims persecuted in the US?

Very rarely. The group most likely to be victims of some sort of hate crime in the US (like everywhere) is the Jews.

 

It could be argued that racially whites are the most often victims of race-based violent crimes.

Many, many stores are owned by Muslims all over the country, so are many hotels and other businesses of all kinds. There is not examples of any being attacked or harassed because they are Muslim. Former Iranians have been in the USA for decades without any conflicts whatsoever either way.

It has only been since 9-11 and the occasionally mass-killing by a Muslim that there has been any real negative sentiments towards Muslims. Most Americans really care about their own lives and not about other people. America is very racially, religiously and ethnically mixed and diverse.

 

Jake wrote: It could be argued that racially whites are the most often victims of race-based violent crimes.

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... it's tough bein' whitey...

... oh, nobody knows the trouble I seen...

... nobody knows but Jesus."

 

I've heard there's been more harassment of muslims since the recent shootings, but generally no, and it wasn't something people thought about in a negative way before 9/11 as far as I recall. Sort of live and let live, freedom of religion is a part of our culture as much as Christianity is.

 

Probably some, but compared to the plight of Christians in the Middle East, it's nothing.

 

Well put it this way:

White people committed 4,102 murders last year
Black people, who only make up 13% of the entire US population, murdered 4203 last year

According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report.

 

Completely irrelevant!

 

Seems like a drop in the bucket. Is that just solved murders or convictions or something?

 

I doubt it, but at the same time there are no Muslims where I live, plenty of Mexicans, some blacks and the town celebrates Christmas..

I did see a Coptic Christian several weeks back, they can easily be confused with Muslim, but I can tell the difference by what woman use to cover their head with...

 

"White people" is singular. It implies a collective. One group. Same with "black people." There is no unifying structure that makes people who happen to be black (or white) a collective. There is no president of black people, no black person rule book, uniform, or membership card.

"Black people" did not commit those crimes, they were committed by individuals who may have happened to be black.

Treating everyone who is black as one group and dumping the responsibility for crimes committed by people who happen to share a skin color on everyone wearing that color skin... it's like blaming everyone who wears a baseball hat for Ted Kaczynski's crimes.




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Black people who committed those crimes are black. That's why I said black people. That post you just made did nothing to refute the facts cited in the FBI uniform crime report.

 

You didn't say the black people who committed those crimes, you said black people committed those crimes.

The subtle difference is you are assigning blame to black people singular and without qualification. Black people as a collective. You are assigning responsibility for those crimes to people who did nothing more than wear the same color skin as people who may actually be guilty of those crimes.

It's like observing many shoplifters wear sneakers. Even that a disproportionate number of shoplifters wear sneakers. And then suggesting the shoplifting problem is the responsibility of people who wear sneakers. It is not necessary to refute the observations, to take issue with the conclusion.




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Just the facts. Muslims are not in physical danger in the U.S. for their religion. They may face harassment, but it's nothing like being killed for their religion.

 

Ok. Maybe irrelevant "facts".

You expected people to be killed for religion?
The harassment is enough of discrimination.

 

Muslims have it much better in the US than Christians do in Iran. Iran allows NO religious freedom for non-Muslims. Bibles cannot be sold openly.

 

A conversation with a Sunni Muslim about radical Islam. Really honest.

[video=youtube;pSPvnFDDQHk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pSPvnFDDQHk[/video]

 

So selling a religious book equals religious freedom?
I have nothing to do with the govt., but amendment 12 of the constitution expresses the religious freedom of such minorities like Christians and Jews, and they even have representatives in the parliament, which they shouldn't have had if it was for the population, about 20K Jews, since the norm is 1 representative per each 200K people.
And who told you you cannot buy a bible from a bookstore in Iran? Come to Shiraz and I'll buy you one!

 

They have Bibles in Farsi.

There are United Bible Societies chapters for Algeria, Iraq, Morocco, and China, and some presence in Comoros, Djibouti, Mauritania and Somalia. The Catholic Bible Federation also operates in Iran.

main Christian churches are:
Armenian Apostolic Church of Iran (between 110,000,[4] 250,000,[5] and 300,000[6] adherents)
Assyrian Church of the East of Iran (about 11,000 - 20,000 adherents),[7][8]
Chaldean Catholic Church of Iran (about 7,000 Assyrian adherents),[7]
Persian Apostolic Church of the East
Roman Catholic Church of Iran (about 21,380 adherents)
various other denominations, some examples are: Presbyterian, including the Assyrian Evangelical Church
Pentecostal, including the Assyrian Pentecostal Church
Jama'at-e Rabbani (the Iranian Assemblies of God churches)
and the Anglican Diocese of Iran.


According to Operation World, there are between 7,000 and 15,000 members and adherents of the various Protestant, Evangelical and other minority churches in Iran,[7] though these numbers are particularly difficult to verify under the current political circumstances.[citation needed]

The International Religious Freedom Report 2004 by the U.S. State Department quotes a somewhat higher total number of 300,000 Christians in Iran, and states the majority of whom are ethnic Armenians followed by ethnic Assyrians.[9]

The "Country Information and Guidance: Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" report published in December 2014 by the Home Office of the United Kingdom states there are 370,000 Christians in Iran.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#Major_denominations

 

Lol what part are you missing here. The race is listed in the Uniform Crime Report that I cited.

White people, the majority, commit less murders per year than black people, a minority. That's a fact given to us by the Department of Justice every year.

 

I'm missing the part where you (or whoever you're quoting) demonstrates 13% of the entire US population acted in conspiracy to murder 4203 people.

Without that piece it's not true those people committed the crime. Most of the people you are accusing have nothing to do with that crime.

Just because your skin is white or black doesn't mean you get credit or blame for what someone else does. Even if he's wearing the same color.




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Of course the radical Shia running Iran can lie and promise anything they want to infidels like Christians.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

There exists a climate of fear for all non-Muslims in Iran:

According to reliable sources, the political regime in present-day Iran is seriously promoting religious persecution. The persecution is so bad there that any religious group that is not Shia-Muslim is not tolerated by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, who came into his office with the promise of better treatment for religious minorities.

The United Nations has a Declaration of Religious Intolerance which in part states “Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion.” This document has been agreed to by all member nations including Iran. It goes on to emphasize that no person within a member nation shall be subject to coercion that would impair his freedom of religion.

Reports coming out of the country make it clear that the country is not paying attention to this Declaration, and in fact, it is carrying out an organized program to seriously persecute anyone who practices a religion that is not strictly Shia Islam. According to Doug Bandon, writing for Forbes Magazine, Christians, Baha’is, Jews, and Sunni Muslims are all the targets of the hardliner Shia-Muslim elements behind leadership in Iran.

One well-known example of this persecution is Pastor Saeed Abedini. According to Christian Post, he was seriously beaten in June of 2015. According to the American Center for Law and Justice, who are representing his wife and children, he was allowed to see a doctor who decided he had no broken bones. Relatives were able to visit and verify his injuries. His wife told the Christian Post that his prison sentence would be increased, unless he denounced his Christian faith. His wife affirms that he will never do that. He is an Iranian-American Christian, who was arrested on in 2012, when he came to the country to work with an orphanage. He has been in prison since the day of his arrest in 2012.

According to Jihad Watch, a revolutionary court in Iran sentenced 18 Christian converts to prison for simply being Christians in Iran. Fox News reported that the charges include starting house churches, evangelism, and propaganda against the Iranian regime. The report related that the sentences totaled almost 24 years, as reported by a Persian website. The tone of the report shows that information is difficult to get in full, but the news that is coming out through these sources is disheartening.

Meanwhile, the world is looking on but little has been done. Rick McDaniel of Faith Street.com reported last year that close to 50 Christians are now being held in their prisons. The attorney representing them has reported that he has been denied access to them. Christian Post World summarizes many specific examples of mistreatment in its August 31 issue.

http://guardianlv.com/2015/09/iran-and-religious-persecution/

Iran has seized 6,500 copies of the Bible in northwest Iran in what appears to be the latest crackdown by Iranian authorities against Christianity in the country.

Few details are known about the seizure, however, Christian news agency, Mohabat News, reports that Dr. Majid Abhari, adviser to the social issues committee of the parliament in Iran stated, "These missionaries with reliance on huge money and propaganda are trying to deviate our youth."

In a government interview with Mehr news agency, Abhari explained that the Bibles were taken because of governmental concerns that Christian missionaries mean to "deceive" young Iranians with "false propaganda."


Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/i...stian-missionaries-54076/#7BzEkRdsZC67hshX.99
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/i...stian-missionaries-54076/#I48RVTKJ03vHBmeO.99

 

Christians there are not going to go walking around adorned with crosses in all parts of the country. They live under the sword of Islam, as will most of Christian Europe in a few decades.

 

It is relevant that Jews remain #1 victims of hate crimes numerically? Do you hear ANY politicians even mentioning tolerance towards American Jews? One word?