My Problems with New Atheism

False.

That is not what Clinton's book was about.

The book focuses on factors outside the family that affect a child's upbringing. That does NOT include a suggestion that the parents are better replaced or overridden in ANY WAY.

It's a totally legitimate objective to take a serious look at factors from outside the family that impact our kids.

You got duped.

 

Except for the hate-filled screed that is the Koran, none of the "holy books" were written by their messiahs. The words of Buddha were written down by others, the words of Lao Tzu were written down by someone else, the words of Jesus and the acts of the apostles were written down by others, Joseph Smith was himself illiterate and had to have someone else write down his revelation, the Vedas were supposedly written by a god, the books of Moses were clearly written about him, not by him, the hymns of Guru Nanak Dev were written down by the second Guru of Sikhism, etc., etc. The closest you can get in any other religion would be L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics, but I'd be hard-pressed to call that a "holy book".

 

Philosophical reasons. You can choose to interpret the book as art and come to your own conclusions. God in the bible represents authority, power and ego to me, and at times relates to some men's dreams of being like a god. Seems more tangible to me, and probably closer to the original intent in my opinion.

 

- The Koran is not hate filled. It does document an on-going war or two, as does the Bible; the terrorism and genocide of Jericho; the slaughter of the Midianites (except for the virgin girls who were distributed to the generals). For main line Christians and Muslims, these revelations aren't featured as tenets of belief to be followed today.

- Mohammed is revered as a messenger, not a messiah. Like Jesus, Mohammed is a prophet.

- Even the Koran was assembled from writings and memorization. Some was written on sheep scapulae. Some passages came from those who had memorized the words, with multiple people reciting the passages to attempt exactitude. It's quite structured with various devices that are poetic in nature, so it's not totally shocking that there are humans who have memorized the entire work.

Otherwise, I agree with your point as I understand it.

 

It's fine to criticize, but as I said I don't think being overly rejective is the best approach to the agenda. Being constructive and reinterpreting passages could eventually lead to a new understanding of the ancient books. Being aggressive and discriminatory towards these sort of religious groups will not sway them, and I think it will do nothing but increase their intensity.

 

You should read it again if you don't think it's hate-filled. The Koran's and Hadith's commandments to violence and hatred are open-ended. The only call from the New Testament Jesus was to preach the gospel to all the world. The Koran's Mohammed's call was to violently subjugate the whole world until everyone confesses that Allah is God and Mohammed is his messenger. From the NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2015/12/13/theyre-so-nice-until-they-get-religion-and-want-to-kill-us/

And messiah means anointed one, a king or prophet appointed to lead the world. That pretty much covers all the different religions' founders.

 

Hell is something you choose and many live it here on earth

 

It is nonsensical comments like these that make you irrelevant, imo. No one chooses your mythical hell. Those who don’t believe your fairytale use rational reasoning when considering extraordinary claims. For this god of yours to be truly just, he would appreciate his created using rational reasoning for such claims.

 

I am not going to be resigned to live between your ears and listen to the god of self.

 

There you go again. You make these ridiculous leaps. I have not ruled out a god, and I have not expressed myself as a god. Try being honest for once.

 

Calling the God I worship a "fairytale " makes you a liar when you say "I have not ruled out a god." Then you say I am not honest. You make these ridiculous leaps your self, calling others "nonsensical" and "irrelevant " in typical elitist fashion. O.K., you win. LOL

 

I never said I think your god might exist. I don’t think a deity that could be responsible for our existence could in anyway resemble the biblical god. IMO, if a god does exist it is indifferent to our existence.
Equating using rational reasoning to thinking one is a self god is absurd. And yes, because you continue to make ridiculous comparisons, to me you are irrelevant in debate. Honest debate does not make the ridiculous leap you do.

But don’t think I’m singling you out. It is typical of many Christians to falsely judge atheists.

 

You just see the world through a godless lense...that's all.

 

How do you choose hell? If that were the case hypocritical evangelicals would have co-op apartments in hell

 

They don’t understand the Village concept. It takes a village to raise a child. It is the teacher in school who is part of the village, the doctor, but person who cuts her hair, the dentist, good neighbors, babysitters, the grocery store on the corner etc.

 

You be judge....you're an atheist. That's what you do!

 

The "village" and the "goverment" do not undermine the authority of the parents....ever! (Except in the Marxist Culture)

 

Muslims believe you are wrong in your interpretation of their primary work.

Is there a reason that we should interpret their work in a way that is different from how THEY interpret it?

Would Christians accept someone from some other faith interpreting the Bible in a way that Christians don't find acceptable?

This is an important point, because it is a significant factor in how those OUTSIDE a belief should gather information about a belief.

My claim is that guessing what other faiths believe without actually asking them is absurd.

Just as an example, Evangelical Christians hold to four foundations of their faith. One would not know that without asking them. And, once one knows that one would need to ask what they are, as the chance it could be figured out by reading the Bible is essentially zero. And, without that as a context, it's quite unlikely that someone would find the Biblical meaning that they do.


I agree with your use of messiah in that you meant to refer to several different religions.

 

Because the villages have a part in raising the child why does that undermine the authority of the parents? I had a role in raising the children because they were with me almost 7 hours a day. The preacher had a role, the doctor had a role etc Why does it mean the parents still don’t have the major role

 

The original "village" quote by your ever so noble Hillary was "It takes a village". I'm saying it takes" two parents".... a mom and Dad. That is something the Marxist culture and LBGTQ can't get over! We play these word games all the time. The implications are obvious. Why say Black Lives Matter? Christians beliieve ALL lives matter. Leftists are real good at saying things that seem to be exclusionary to make a subtle point!

 

And which Muslims would those be? The ones who blow up women and children in trains, buses, airplane terminals, and pop concerts? The ones who fly airplanes into tall buildings? The ones who try to establish a caliphate in Iraq and Syria? The ones who stone adulterous women to death in Saudi Arabia? The ones who ban pornography on the internet while downloading it in Pakistan? The ones who attack and kill Coptic Christians in Egypt? The ones who attack and kill Jews in Israel? The ones who throw acid in women's faces in the UK? The ones who terrorize and rape women in Sweden and Germany? The ones who preach "death to the Jews" in California? (https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/california-imam-calls-for-muslims-to-annihilate-the-jews) The ones who think terrorism is "sometimes" justified? Because that number alone is over a quarter of all Muslims. Your Islamapologist stance is not justified. There have been over 32,000 deadly attacks by Muslims against civilians just since 9/11/01. The Koran is evil, and as a consequence, Islam is evil, by design and by practice. Daniel Pipes, one of the West's foremost experts on Islam, believes Islam is the greatest threat the West is facing today, but he is still optimistic that Islam itself can be reformed. I am not. In order to make Islam a peaceful religion, the authority of Mohammed as "God's last prophet" would have to be overthrown completely, in which case, it would no longer be Islam.

 

I would replace "godless lens" with "rose colored glasses".

 

Uh, no. You're having a very hard time counting - or, finding legitimate representatives of Islam, for that matter.

Pipes is a right wing Zionist. He has NO interest in peace. He calls for further crimes against Palestinians without any concern for morals, ethics, law, or life.

You're getting duped.

 

I see, so the 28% of Muslims who believe terrorism is "sometimes" justified are not "legitimate representatives of Islam". And all the people killed in the name of Allah are not "legitimate victims of Islam". And the 49 Islamic countries in the world, all of which are far more backwards and repressive than any Western nation, are not representative of what Islam does to a country. And the millions of Islamic immigrants in Western nations who constitute a new, violent, lower class of people who do not assimilate into society are not "legitimate representatives of Islam". So tell me, where are these noble, upstanding, fully assimilated, peaceful "legitimate representatives of Islam"? Why do they not have a peaceful, tolerant regime anywhere on the planet? Why do only two Islamic countries on earth recognize Israel's right to exist? (Egypt and Jordan, and Egypt may soon withdraw its recognition) Why do countries with Islamic majorities, once the secular dictator is removed from power, tend to become more and more Islamic and repressive? (Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Pakistan, Bahrain) Why is it possible to be an atheist in every Christian country on earth without fear of injury but a death sentence in most Islamic countries? Could it have anything to do with ISLAM???

**** the Palestinians. They have had every opportunity to have peace and their own country and have rejected it every time. They were given millions of dollars to build up their people and they used it to build "terror tunnels" into Israel instead. They don't deserve one iota of respect or consideration, and we shouldn't send them another ****ing dime.

 

the concept of the village goes over your head, so I won’t waste my time explaining it again, you would rather see a kid have an abusive father rather than two loving mothers.
You also don’t get black lives matter movement....it means black lives also matter....I wonder if Christians who believed that all lives matter when they lynched black people and segregated them from the rest of the population. It was in the 60s that black people were still told by Christians that they were in good enough to sit in the front of the bus.