"National Gun Laws" and Chicago. FAIL

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by QLB, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More bad news for VPC and please do engage in debate by providing proof that what I post is wrong instead of "the VPC said so"
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...r-than-defend-but-only-if-you-cook-the-books/
     
  2. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They continue to be proven false, gun control doesn't work.
    http://www.gunowners.org/vpc10122011.htm
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    I await your competing data. States with the most gun deaths please.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this a misdirection, are you not willing to engage in debate. You present data, I present opposing data, you present proof my data is wrong. Why go off on a different tangent? Please respectfully uphold your end of the require request. I showed you studies and reports disputing VPC data, where was I wrong? Derailing or not engaging in respectful debate is a reportable offense.
     
  6. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    Zip codes with most gun deaths please.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    UMM That's easy....liberal zip codes!!! LOL
     
  8. OrlandoChuck

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    It sure was nice to take a week break from the never ending circular argument regarding homicides vs "gun deaths".
     
  9. Xenamnes

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    It is no different than you presenting the opinion pieces of the violence policy center and labeling it as being evidence.

    If that is insufficient evidence for you, then try the following. A collection of tweets made by others advocating that the members of the NRA be murdered.

    http://bulletsfirst.net/2013/09/04/gun-owners-act-with-class-the-hateful-left-acts-with-crass/

    Then present it again. And continue presenting it every single time that you are pressed for such. Proof is demanded, you present it. That is how a debate works.

    You have yet to actually explain anything. All that has been presented is opinion pieces from biased activist organizations, and mindless blathering about the optimistic belief that the impossible will suddenly become possible if one simply tries and believes hard enough.
     
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    You can take a break anytime you like
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or you could take a break anytime you don't like, eh? :wink:
     
  12. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    You think a series of tweets makes your case about ALL gun control advocates? Really?

    I have played that game....I don't enjoy it

    I can not explain per capita data to you again

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    Yep I could
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Suicides are of no relevance and will not be discussed. They are only brought up by those who are deliberately intellectually dishonest.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some people show up and throw grenades in the room instead of respectful debate.....those that throw grenades, get time outs. You could try shooting for the choice of when you take a break, eh?
     
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    They will be discussed by me because they are totally relevant.

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    Are you debating now....I can't really tell.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Were you gonna provide gun deaths by zip codes?
     
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    Do you honestly believe that isolated incidents of violence should be used as the basis for completely changing the laws of the united states, in the desperate hope that maybe something can be done about it?

    What you do and do not enjoy is of no relevance.

    You have yet to actually explain anything. All that has been presented is opinion pieces from biased activist organizations, and mindless blathering about the optimistic belief that the impossible will suddenly become possible if one simply tries and believes hard enough.

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    And they will continue to be ignored because they are not homicides, and you will be rebuked for knowingly engaging in intellectual dishonesty.
     
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    They are not isolated. Gun deaths are statistically WAY to high in this country

    It is of relevance to me.

    Nothing is impossible
     
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    The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What difference does it make? Why does it matter how the united states compares to other nations around the world in this one area, but not in any other area?

    Which is irrelevant in and of itself.

    You have failed to prove such.
     
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    It matters to voters. And that is all that matters
     
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    It does matter to voters. That's why Republicans have both sides of Congress and the Whitehouse. And not just the Republicans, but the ant-establishment Republicans who want to drain Washington of all of this corruption, and restore freedom, law and order, and fiscal responsibility
     
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    Or its why actual voters in three states just voted for more gun control
     
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    Both the attorney general for the state of Nevada, and the FBI, which is the chief law enforcement agency for the united states, has stated in unequivocal, undeniable, flat out terms, that the recently enacted background check requirement is completely unenforceable, and no resources will be devoted to it. Not only is the mandate unenforceable according to them, but they have stated that they outright refuse to enforce it.

    Therefore the state of Nevada has absolutely nothing. Not so much as one single private individual in the state of Nevada will be arrested, charged, or even prosecuted for selling a firearm without performing a background check. Those in charge of the matter have stated as much, meaning that no new legislation has been enacted in the state. You do not even have your argument anymore, as it has been forcibly taken away from you by your own law enforcement.
     
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    Wow, that's huge. Looks like Nevada won't have new gun control after all.
     
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    That has not yet been determined. All we have is a AG opinion
     

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