Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

Ha!
I never realized that! To me, this word always associated with serial killers or especially gruesome murder scenes.

 

Renaming the KGB to the VHS (or whatever that new name with a V in it is) will not change that it's still the same pack of liars and propagandists that it always was.


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Indeed. We crushed them in mere days.


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Russia has not withdrawn from the Georgian territory that they stole in 2008.

Neither has Russia withdrawn from the Ukrainian territory that they stole in 2014.


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We do no such thing.


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Except, Iran never achieved any such thing.

The US spy drone crashed because of technical difficulties, and Iran merely claimed credit for it.


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The US is not trying to place such missiles in Ukraine in the first place.

If the US decides to do so in the future, it will be Russia's own fault for invading innocent countries.

Yes they do.

The alleged genocide is imaginary too, just like the alleged missiles.

We will protect NATO no matter who doesn't like it.

Russia is the one who starts all the fights.

 

I think you may have me confused with a different poster.

I neither know nor care. But if they do so, then their invasion will be crushed.

Yes. They merely parroted KGB propaganda.


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The report is KGB propaganda.

Georgia had every right to defend themselves from a massive Russian invasion of their country.

Like I said, KGB propaganda. Georgia did not attack peacekeepers.

Georgia attacked the massive Russian invasion of their country.

I'm not a victim. But the people of Georgia are victims of Russian aggression.

 

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-...on-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

Because in exchange for the promise, the USSR agreed not to oppose German reunification.

 

Germany's foreign minister visits front line in Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-fore...r&r=9726004199921322&lid=2049922&pm_ln=133303

 

Google "FSB" and spend a little time familiarizing yourself with what may be the most powerful, most professional intel agency in the world today -- headed by an almost frighteningly intelligent mastermind named Alexander Bortnikov....

. You may ridicule this man if you like, but I sure as hell wouldn't want him pissed-off at ME!

 

From what I understand, she was supposed to have met with Zelensky, but that meeting didn't happen due to "scheduling conflicts".

 

Boy! The Germans better not let those 'beasts' in the Russian Spetsnaz get their hands on her!

Meet Annalena Baerbock, the new ruling German Socialist coalition's Foreign Minister! Schön, na...?

 

Can you prove that Russia is currently occupying part of Georgia? :-/ I haven't heard anything about it.

 

. "German hussie! Humph! I'll scratch her eyes out...!"

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to provide the link. Here is the beginning of the credible site's link, for anyone interested:
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Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner

Slavic Studies Panel Addresses “Who Promised What to Whom on NATO Expansion?”

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
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Why do you suppose Gorbachev & the Soviets were content with mere verbal assurances; I mean, I was recently shaking my head at my brother, who was foolish enough to buy a truck from someone who assured him he'd had the motor rebuilt, without seeing the receipts, to prove it. Who gets to the level of running a country (even a dinky country, much less the USSR) without understanding that you ALWAYS GET IT IN WRITING! ?

While I could have some sympathy, nevertheless, for the lied-to, Soviet Union-- that nation no longer exists. So, even had assurances been in writing, not to expand anywhere that might challenge the security of the USSR, why would Russia (and every other, now independent country, that was once part of the Soviet Union?) expect to be able to cash in, on those promises, made to its larger predecessor? The rationale for those guarantees, after all, were not unrelated to the specific type of state, run by the Soviet Union.


And people wonder why Putin is accused of wanting to bring back something resembling the former, Soviet state.

 

This was your reply to:
Toggle Almendro said: ↑
Renaming the KGB to the VHS (or whatever that new name with a V in it is) will not change that it's still the same pack of liars and propagandists that it always was.
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So should my take away from your post, be that you admire evil, manipulative, lying propagandists--
when they're very good at their jobs??

 

DEFinning, Russia is officially the legal successor of the Soviet Union. Russia assumed the rights, debts and obligations of the USSR. The Russians won't say, "That was under a different presidential administration."

If you look at Gorbachev's policy, he sincerely and completely trusted the United States. This is captured in the culture of Russia in the late 80s. Gorbachev
and then Yeltsin sincerely wanted to be friends. They believed that the United States was also open to relations. The US was no longer perceived as an adversary. States were like an older brother, mentor and teacher. I don’t know how it is in the States, but in Russia it was not customary (it was) to draw up written agreements between friends and relatives.

Now there are no such illusions in Russia.

 

No, DEF, nowhere (NOWHERE) in my post about Bortnikov did I express "admiration". I was trying to emphasize that by making snide, sarcastic comments about our opponents, all we do is show our manifold IGNORANCE (and our obliviousness) to those opponents, and the entire world.

It's always advisable to understand your adversaries and respect their capabilities. I'll ask you to recall that when General Patton was asked how he defeated the famous Wehrmacht Field Marshal Rommel in the North Africa campaign, he reportedly said, "Rommel... you magnificent bastard, I read your book!" But that didn't mean that Patton was IN LOVE with him....

 

Reminds me of a famous story from Desert Storm. An Iraqi Colonel was captured and placed in the back of a Bradley Armored Personnel Carrier under the guard of a young Specialist Four. The Colonel noticed a picture of Rommel taped to the wall and asked the SP4 "Why do you display a picture of your enemy?". The SP4 answered: "We study our enemies. Perhaps if you did the same, you would be guarding ME now."

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazia

FSB is an internal security agency. To use British agencies as an analogy, FSB is Russia's version of MI5.

Russia's external intelligence agency is called VHS or something. All I can ever bother to remember is that it has a "V" somewhere in it.

I just looked it up. It is "SVR" I guess. Don't expect me to remember that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Service_(Russia)

 

it is written there "The South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast, established by Soviet authorities in 1922, declared independence from the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1991. The Georgian government responded by abolishing South Ossetia's autonomy and trying to re-establish its control over the region by force.[14] The escalating crisis led to the 1991–1992 South Ossetia War."
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"Simmering ethnic tensions between the Abkhaz—the region's titular ethnicity—and Georgians—the largest single ethnic group at that time—culminated in the 1992–1993 War in Abkhazia, which resulted in Georgia's loss of control over most of Abkhazia and the ethnic cleansing of Georgians from Abkhazia."
Independence from Georgia.

 

Reports of Russian troops entering Odessa:
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2...red-odessa-crossing-into-kharkiv-reports.html

 

Yes, this part of Russian intel is the "SVR RF", and it's headed by an interesting fellow named Sergei Naryshkin who had had a lot of 'up's' and 'down's' in his career(s) in the government, including an embarrassing 2015 disclosure that his dissertation in economics was exposed as fraudulent in an investigation, with more than half of the text plagiarized from other publications. He has what some describe as a 'sinecure' position in what is more 'tactical' intelligence operations abroad than 'strategic'. Thus, the SVR is more what Russia allows the world to see about its foreign operations, but the actual 'chess-game' is played by the insiders in the FSB.

Never forget that the FSB, under Alexander Bortnikov, also is over the "Service For Economic Security" (SEB), as well as all internal intel initiatives and operations. In this way, through Bortnikov, Putin exercises command-and-control over Russia's oligarchs who have built their billions from the wreckage of the old Soviet Union for more than thirty years. The foreign operations 'piece' is merely an extension of the concentrated power and control exerted by the central FSB apparatus... and that means Bornikov.

You may enjoy reading this: https://www.spytalk.co/p/meet-putins-top-enabler-fsb-boss?utm_source=url

One of the few things that Winston Churchill ever got right was his description of Russia as being, "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma". Nevertheless, two things seems certain after investigation from today's perspective: Stalin was BY FAR the smartest man at Yalta near the end of World War II, and, Vladimir Putin is BY FAR the smartest man in all of Europe today (unfortunately for us in 'the West').

 

Not to say anyone approves of Putin's tactics, but he clearly is outsmarting all of our western leaders, particularly Slow Joe.

Over the years we've managed to get ourselves into a very dangerous and unmanageable situation with Russia. After the fall of communism in Russia we took a seriously bad move by declaring the expansion of NATO up to the countries borders. The Russians understandably considered this an existential threat. Could we have done a better job in encouraging Russia to feel safe at their moment of greatest vulnerability instead of treating them as an enemy? I think we could have. Now we're in a position where we will eventually have to face them down militarily in order to prevent further aggression.

 

I remember thinking at the time that if "W" Bush had reached out to Putin after Islamo-Nazis staged the Beslan School massacre in 2004, and together, we had created a concerted, joint-effort against radical Muslim factions throughout the world, the U. S. and Russia could have built a sound, lasting relationship, and, rid the world of an insane, violent menace at the same time!

Now, through greed, stupidity, opportunism, and neglect, we've allowed a powerful alliance to come into formation instead involving Russia and CHINA. And we see that Putin and his 'new-best-friend', Xi Jinping, are now in the process of establishing what amounts to dominant control over the entire Eastern Hemisphere! I predicted this beginning in January of 2019, speculating that it would take about ten years for us in 'the West' to screw everything up and for the Russian-Chinese alliance to establish dominance throughout Europe, Africa, and Asia... and so far, it looks like it may not even take that long, especially if we continue putting shallow, inept, blundering, 'woke' Democrats into positions of power over here!

 

There are no serious leaders in Western countries right now. Too interested in green energy pipe dreams, and politically correct use of pronouns. We're about to get a serious shock back into reality.

 

Everyone views the US as weak. Why? We were the only country with the ability to stand up to the CCP dictatorship poisoning the world, and we did the opposite, covered it up, acted fake, and let them host the Olympics as a response. Nothing America has ever done made us look weaker than this.

Putin saw us let that dictatorship get away with that; why wouldn't he think he could get away with taking Ukraine without us doing diddly squat?

I pretty sure I remember making a post over a year ago I'll have to find. I said that if we ignore what the CCP did here, it will embolden our enemies and could lead to a miscalculation on their part...

 

Russian pushback...




https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/poli...ctions-international-space-station/index.html

 

Cool.Maybe we'll get back in charge of the space station that was BUILT BY THE UNITED STATES!