[Neo] Atheists: How Much Lack of Belief is Required to be an Atheist?

A cynic, as I already said. Why are you obsessed with redefining others? I bet you would have a s**t fit if I did that to you!

 

I mean, you can quantify it as that if you want to, it's just not the same understanding of belief as that which is in all your definitions. If I believe something is 10% likely to be true, I wouldn't "accept" or "hold" it as true at all, I would merely be aware that there is 10% chance that my best guess is wrong. But yeah, you can put together some Baysian degree of belief if you want. My point is not that you can't use that formulation of belief, it's that you would have to be clear about it, and you would have to be aware that there are others who might be using it differently.

 

I know what it means when a duck, goes quack. A tree is known by it's fruits. But I guess if i supported the left, I'd be to embarrassed to admit it, also. Go ahead, define me as a Trump supporting, Conservative, I am.

 

Percentage is a numerical value if you want to know the % of anything then you have to have a way of measuring it. When the OP comes up with a unit of belief I will be only too happy to answer his question for any gods he names. Of course that would be in just the god he names and not my % of lack of belief for all gods.

In the meantime consider other instances of lacks where it would be considered absurd to ask you for amount of lack!

She lacked beauty
She lacked Grace.
He lacked the will.
The team lacked spirit.

Only those who think they have scored a political point would be so absurd as to ask "how much belief" do you lack.

 

Atheist secular humanists have even been dubbed a religion by scrotumus maximus, and shockingly they made a correct call.

that makes no sense.

Its a fact, theists lack believe in the nonexistence of God.

I imagine the gubmint is keeping a close eye on them.

Using your logice, one of those statements you made are that you "lack believe in the non-existence of God", theists lack believe in the non-existence of God. Welcome to the club, you are a theist.

the bold is ok the rest is your imaginative strawmen never used in my conversations. 'not enough' is a quantity, like it or not.

wow that actually made sense.
So then you agree that there is a point where neoatheists lack woujld not be anough to classify them as an atheist.

It does not make sense to argue clarity about an issue that was presented crystal clear.

You really should get in the habit of reading posts before your keyboard runs away spewing a pile.

She lacked beauty and lost the contest. (she had beauty, just not enough)
She lacked grace and stumbled. (she had grace, just not enough)
He lacked the will to finish the project. (he had will, just not enough)
the team lacked spirit and lost the game. (they had spirit, not enough)

ALL people have some level of beauty
ALL people have some level of grace
ALL people have some level of will
ALL people have some level of spirit.

ALL neoatheists have variant degrees of lack.

The question remains how much lack is required to be an atheist?

 

It's ok I understand you cannot supply a unit of measurement for belief

 

Nice, bass-ackward logic.
You understand wrong.
'not enough' is expressed as a unit of measure.
I am not the one claiming to be an atheist based on 'lack', not enough belief.

lack
the state of.............. not having enough of something.

 

I define you as a conservoFascist! Happy now?

 

To me, "conviction" is just a synonym for belief, so I see this as a circular definition.

I would suggest defining the word 'belief' along the lines of: "the acceptance of an argument as a truth".

While you're not holding "that proposition is true" in your mind, you ARE holding "that proposition is false" in your mind. THAT is what you are convinced is true. THAT is your belief.

Whether you say "[Argument A] is true" is true, or whether you say "[Argument A] is false" is true, you are forming a belief about [Argument A].

Both expressions are about the same belief; they are just worded differently.

Irrelevant to the definition of the word 'belief'.

Yes it is. It is accepting that "_______ is false" IS TRUE. It is a truth claim, all the same.

 

Which works perfectly but ,% is a mathematical expression and you cannot give me a unit of measurement for belief.

 

Hitler was made in the image of God. All humans are/were.

 

Thanks for the great demonstration of religious fundamentalism!

Out of 100 items reviewed to make my conclusion, I believe 28 of them to be wrong, I have 28% lack of belief it is true.

So you are about to claim that it cannot be computed and neoatheists are making nonsensical claims by using lack?

 

I am asking you for the unit of measurement for a belief, four times now and you cannot come up with it.

 

Yes, what you are saying is completely ridiculous. It is very irrational and full of logic errors.

Here, for starters, you are denying the proof of identity, making a compositional error, redefining the words 'agnosticism' and 'atheism', and denying your own argumentation (which now has you locked into multiple paradoxes).

You started out by identifying/defining agnosticism.

Then, you picked out one specific part of that identification to focus in on (and later treated it as if it were the whole of agnosticism).

Then, you identify/define atheism (only focusing in on what is being denied while completely ignoring what is being accepted, but that's another discussion).

Then, as I said above, you treated one specific part of agnosticism (the part of it that is shared with atheism) as if it were the whole of agnosticism, in an attempt to make both of them identical, even though you originally identified/defined them as two separate things.

 

You are circularly defining belief.

 

percentage, the amount of lack is the unit of measure for belief.
28%, you dont know simple ratios either?
lack
the state of.............. not having enough of something.

quantities of enough, not enough, too much are all expressed using numbers.

Here we are folks, neoatheists dismissing all reason and logic in support of their religious beliefs

 

Excellent you have the burden of proof for your positive assertion. Can you show your evidence.

 

What is the unit of measurement for a belief , only then can we work out the percentage, you cannot get a percentage without a complete unit. So again provide a unit of measurement for one belief. Five times.

 

yeh its been given to you 5 times and you still dont get it.

A unit of measurement is a definite magnitude of a quantity

I told you 5 TIMES, 28%

28% IS THE UNIT OF MEASURE

Dont they teach basic math in the UK?

 

Agnostics don't claim any knowledge of whether God exists or not. Not claiming knowledge is a subset of not believing (some people who don't believe don't claim any knowledge). Not believing is atheism. Therefore agnosticism is a subset of atheism.

 

Every nuance brilliantly analyzed!

 

Percent is not a unit of measure you need to quantify one whole belief. Six times

 

No, atheists and agnostics are not identical. What is being forgotten is that agnostics (while not adhering to the "god/s DO exist" argument that theists make) also do not adhere to the "god/s do not exist" argument that atheists make.

An agnostic is neither a theist nor an atheist. An agnostic is not a practitioner of either religion.

 

I would tell you how I define you, but I'll decline. Think whatever you want, you have a right to see things backwards.

 

cool, so then using your logic you admit that neoathests are all fakes since they use the term 'lack' which according to you must contain a unit of measure that you claim it does not have!