[Neo] Atheists: How Much Lack of Belief is Required to be an Atheist?

That is ****ing hilarious!
Thanks for the gut buster.
BUT it does not overrule RH's annihilation of 'lack of belief'.

 

you do not need a source to demonstrate 2+2=4.
To deny that gfm proved the point is equivalent to denying 2+2 = 4 as he articulated every detail to prove the point step by step.
A source with the 'possible' exception of a unversity study is nothing more than another opinion no different than another poster here.
Demands to citing sources on political matters as this is nothing more than committing an ad populum fallacy, since the case is proven by the logic, not opinion.
IOW your gang of writers is bigger with more citation than anothers therefore its correct despite your conclusion flushed formal logical proofs down the toilet.
The only way you can legitimately defeat the position is to out logic and out reason him and I can tell you now its a waste of time because he nailed it.

 

And do

On the contrary you want to use a percentage so provide the units of belief, you cannot do it.

 

Just a quick one. I gather a 'neo-atheist' is a 'new atheist' ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism) which is what I refer to as an 'anti-theist'. I like my word much better.

 

you simply do not get it, 'your' requirements just wiped out the use of LoB for atheism. you fell into your own trap. LOL

 

Please provide the unit of measurement for belief if you require a percentage of belief.

 

Rahl doesn't demand a unit of measure. Rahl demands that you define the unit of measure you use to measure whatever you're trying to measure. It's pretty clear that no unit of measure can be used to quantify belief or lack thereof, because these are not quantifiable.

You're basically trying to prove that there's a quantifiable uncertainty factor in both belief and lack of belief. At least I think this is what your're trying to do. But accepting your theory means we have to change the definitions*, and by changing the meaning of belief and lack of belief you completely miss your target, being unable to prove that belief and lack of belief as defined by science and used right now contain an uncertainty factor.

* thank you @Swensson

 

'Lack' expresses a quantity that can be expressed with 100% accuracy without units of measurement.
He demands I place units of measurement on the neoatheists 'chosen' word of self definition.
It goes without saying if neoatheists dont even know which gauge they are using and applying to their belief system the whole premise of their claim crumbles into pure nonsense.
No, not looking for any UF, but you are getting warmer.
I accept his demands for a unit of measure because it wipes out LoB in its entirety.
Personally since LoB violates LEM I like that he single handedly destroyed any possibility of using the word in any application regarding beliefs!

 

Belief is not a mathematical term.
Percentage is a mathematical term.
You ask for a percentage of a non mathematical term, if you were doing it out of ignorance it would not be as funny as it is!
But you do it to try to get your gotcha moment and no doubt several stars, this makes it so amusing!

Now come back when you have a unit of measurement for belief.

 

I lack belief in gods existence People understand that, if you don't after all these people have tried I to explain I suggest you give up and accept you just lack the comprehension. What amount of comprehension you lack cannot be expressed mathematically either!

 

neither is a gallon, or a pound.

Yep its a great way to gauge things.

like percentage of an apple?

Im just no match for you.

I dont need to, I get too many handed to me on silver and gold platters, as seen above and will be seen below.

They also lacked belief the earth is a sphere, and understood it was flat, how did that work out for you?

Ok you win, the earth is flat.

Sure it can.
If someone comprehends 8 out of 10 propositions, their comprehension is 80% of the total, just like grading some kids test.

Claiming someone lacks comprehension and that its not numerical is a false premise fallacy, and totally over the cliff just like the other wacky LoB theories LoBers post.

If someone lacks comprehension they may also have no comprehension what so ever, that would be zero and if they comprehend everything perfectly that would be 100% comprehension.

Same way for beliefs, I told you how to calculate it.

Come back and post more soon, I really enjoy all these 'gotcha' freebies you are handing out!

 

So neoatheists, now that one of your own has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that percentage is the proper method to illustrate quantative qualities of comprehension and belief let get back to where we left off.

It only makes sense, since if you only 'lack .001% belief' (ie you reviewed 1000 claims and only found one you disagree with) I cant imagine even the most hard core fundamentalist neoatheist would consider that enough LoB to claim atheism? Or would they?

What percentage of belief must one lack to qualify for the atheist label?

 

How much Christian do you have to be in order to be considered a Christian?

My bet is that you are considered a Christian if you claim to be so. Nothing else is required.

Likewise, If I say I'm agnostic or atheist, then that's what I am.

 

ah and theres the rub.

Theists claim to believe, atheists claim to disbelieve, however neoathests do 'not' claim to believe or disbelieve they claim to 'lack' belief.

Belief and disbelief are crystal clear, 100% one way or the other, 100% unambiguous.

lack however is not.

They may lack only .001% or they may lack 92%, anywhere between some infinitesimally small number to 100%.

So if I want to be an atheist what is the minimum amount of lack that I need to have so to justifiable argue that I am in fact an atheist?

 

What a weird question! I don't really see that as something someone WANTS to do. Obviously, it would be GREAT if there were a god who was taking care of you and your future, answering your prayers, etc. It's not very hard to sell religion - to cause someone to want that. In fact, some benefits of religion accrue regardless of whether there is a god!! If you become convinced you are going to heaven you may experience more peace before death.

An atheist doesn't accept the concept of their being a god.

I'd also point out that the God of the Bible has various guidelines for who is really a Christian. One could question someone about which parts they see as required in order to receive various benefits. Then, one Christian could determine whether they think the other Christian is really a Christian!

For an atheist, there isn't any additional question to ask.

 

nice deflection.
this is not about christians complete waste of your font ink
this is about neoatheist lack of belief
So this going to be 20 pages of strawmen like our last conversation?
What are neoatheists afraid of?
If no one can answer the question it goes without saying the neoatheists have no clue what they are and what it takes to be what they are, meaning their whole premise is irrational on its fact.

 

you either believe in a God or you don't

 

sure it does, it describes how strongly someone lacks belief.
Dont look at me its their wacked out system, all I want is explanations.
they claim anything from strong to weak atheism but cant even tell me how much strong is and how much weak is.

 

I questions the value of your question.

Then, I directly answerd it:

An atheist doesn't accept the concept of their being a god.

That's really all there is.

I think agnosticism gets a little more complicated.

 

so then 100% lack of belief in the existence of G/god (the same as disbelief) is required?

 

you either believe in a God or you do not

if you don't.... your an Atheist
if you do.... your a Theist

simple as that

 

That's simply not true, there are different degrees of belief.

And then there are of course agnostics. Agnostics do not really believe there is a God, but they do not have any specific or strong belief that there is not a God, either. Maybe even some agnostics might have a slight inclination towards believing there might be a God, but it is either less than 50% or they are indifferent.

Of course "belief" is ultimately measured by one's actions, when pressed to decide between two paths in a situation that hinges on that belief.

 

By the way, the OP was (surprisingly) completely right and spot on. I've never seen so many dodges before.

 

I'm not questioning whether "not enough" is a quantity (although I probably could if it was important for the argument), I'm saying it doesn't correspond to anything in reality (when applied to belief), or at least, you have not made it clear what it corresponds to.

I mean, I argue that belief doesn't come in percentages, that you either have it or you don't have it, corresponding to either 1 or 0. So I guess if you have 1 belief (in the existence of god), you would be neither a neoatheist or an atheist.

In my opinion, the reality of what we're talking about is not that tricky. In fact, I believe it is trivial. The only reason this has remained a issue with any disagreement in it is the poor presentation, it is far from crystal clear.

There are several definitions at play, you and others merrily swap them around, with lots of equivocation. Several concepts have not been explained (at least not where I have seen them), and on several occasions have an explanation been provided, but when we look closer at the arguments, they don't apply to the thing described. I have asked you several times about what a 50% of belief is, yet you have not explained, and unsurprisingly, many of the disagreements in this thread would have been sorted out if that was clear.

 

Here is a picture of an apple (nice and easy so you can comprehend it)



According to you, you can identify the accurate % of each piece, go ahead do so, don't forget the juice!
Hint ( you would have to weigh or measure the apple first using a unit of measurement)

When you have completed that task, can you provide a similar picture of a belief?

If you cannot provide a similar picture of a belief then your comprehension test is to explain why not?

I will be awarding little trophy's for each correct answer, have fun.