Netanyahu offers 'no concrete action plan' on Iran: senior U.S. official

Obama and Netanyahu don't like each other. The body language is obvious.

 

Obama is a condescending ego maniac.

 

I didn't see Arabs claiming that Iran is about to make a nuclear bomb.
Bibi has been telling lies that Iran will have a bomb in 1/2/3 years... since 1992.

 

I already answered this one to another poster from Germany.
a) Why Iran the oil producer with an estimate of another thousand years of oil supply.
b) Has 19,000 centrifuges working day and night, and what are they for?
c) I came to the conclusion 'Centrifuges = NUKES'... what says you?

And btw Bibi is a politician not worse than Obama or Putin.

 

funny how some Republicans condemn Obama for expanding the wars in the Middle East and others accuse him of surrendering - and what ever happened to Bush's "mission accomplished" campaign?

 

Yep.. I think they choose to forget the facts.

 

Iran was supposed to get nuclear power plants for generating electricity under Eisenhowers Atoms for Peace program since the 1950s and at one point the US was training their nuclear techs.

Iran has the right to develop infrastructure and with today's technology they can desalinate water and generate electricity with the same facility... Obviously it would diversify their economy and allow them to export more gas and oil.. If they can get rid of their wacky government, Iran should be extremely prosperous.. especially since the straddle the oil corridor.

 

Iran is one of the most energy inefficient countries of the world. Half of the country’s energy is wasted in domestic sector, and 2/3 parts of power plants' energy are also wasted.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Iran

Iran does not need more energy, Margot. They need something else.

 

Really?? By claiming that there was no proof that the leaked cable was from the Mossad; while the Mossad failed even once to deny the authenticity of the document?

You call that "debunked"?

No wonder you remain a Bibi fan.

If I may help, please read Isaiah 44 verse 18 .... it is very descriptive of what Bibi and the Zionist propaganda machine has managed to do:

 

Leadership? Are you serious? Leadership is positive, fruitful and of benefit to all.

Here is what the man who led the Mossad for 8 years had to say about Bibi's recent speech to the hasbara-swallowing Republicans:

Leadership?

Leadership?

Leadership - to try to embarrass your most fervent friend?
Leadership? To criticise the President of the United States with such a farcical accusation?

Leadership?

The scales are finally falling off the gullible America, and as usual the Democrats lead the way. And they need to because in the rest of the world the Republicans are gullible naive milksops. I know that you will deny that, but only because you have not yet read Isaiah 44:18.

Leadership?

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Then why did the United States of America insist in the 1970s that Iran embark on a nuclear development plan?

 

N o concrete alternative? really? Let's talk "concrete". The concrete in the construction of those centrifuge sites. I think BIBI's alternate plan for that concrete found in those sites is ...well...quite concrete in fact. He told congress....and Obama and the world....that Israel reserves the right to defend itself. That means the right to destroy those sites with a pre-emptive self-defensive strike that will bust up that there concrete into many non-functional pieces. I call that a very "concrete" alternate plan.

 

We knew you would.

The Mossad said in a cable that that stale old concept was bovine-excreta (BS); that Bibi therefore lied. The ex-head of the Mossad recently exclaimed that Bibi's speech was BS. The CIA confirmed in 2013 that Bibi's view was BS (in polite words)

But HB knows better that the smartest most efficient intelligence agencies in the world.

And that is purely because of the barrier to accepting reality, as described so succinctly in Isaiah 44:18.

 

Its not what he wants to hear.What he considers an alternative is allowing Iran to create nuclear reactors to build more bombs. I personally think North Korea already gave them some and now they want to make their own.

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The Mossad said no such thing. You have no cable. You assume because you read a story on al Jazeera its true. You have zero proof the alleged cable is in fact a cable let alone from Mossad.Stop trying to pass off as fact something you have no proof of simply because you read it on al Jazeera which repeated it second hand without any corroborated source.

If you knew anything about intelligence you would know if Mossad had something to say like that it would not put it in writing. Get real.

 

Your Zionist mantra of "pre-emptive self-defensive strike" is worn out. It's sell-by date has long passed.

The internet has set us free; has given exposure to the truth obscured by decades by carefully nurtured hasbara.

# We know the truth about the anti-American Zionist activities in the USA during the Truman era

# We know the truth about the disgusting 1948 Nakba

# We have all the facts from the pen of Ben-Gurion's personal scribe about the 'brilliant plan' of 1956

# We know that the lead-up to the Six Day War started years before and was triggered in April 1967 by Israel and not in May 1967 by Nasser

# We know that Begin lied to the Knesset about Lebanon in 1982, after which over 15000 people were slaughtered

# We know that Shalit was kidnapped in part of a chan of events that started when Israel assassinated a senior Hamas official

# We know that it was ISrael that broke the ceasefire in November 2008 which led directly to the obscene Operation Cast Lead and use of white phosphorus in killing 1400 people

# We know all about the killing of the Palestinian teenagers in May 2014, which led in turn to .... etc.

If you don't KNOW the facts that lead to the above conclusions ..... ask yourself why.
If you DO know the facts (like HB does) .... ask yourself why ... why do you insist in promoting the hasbara and making a fool of verifiable documented retrievable history with the consequent reflection on yourslef.

We know these facts. We can see straight through the Zionist myths.

But by denying the reality, by continuing the illegal occupation; by slaughtering thousands of Palestinians every few years, you FUEL the flight to radical Islam by those most disgusted by the lies.

And somehow you reason that the continuation of the radicalisation of young Muslims is in the best interests of Israel's long-term safety is ..... I don't have words to express this idiosy.

 

Leadership (as you have omitted) is also the strength to tell your people when there are dangers... whether is it positive news or not.

 

Then why did they not deny it, and save the PM of Israel from getting egg all over his face?
Denying the obvious is nowhere close to debunking anything. The cables were leaked from South African security sources. Do you have any idea how close the Mossad and the BSS were? Any? About shared nuclear technology? I thought not.

 

Are you serious.Why didn't they deny it?

Really?

Why do you deny something that does not exist?

Denying something acknowledges it. This is why intelligence agencies neither deny or admit anything. They stay silent.

Seriously, intelligence agencies do not send cables that oh so conveniently express their opinions.Briefings are done by word of mouth in secured quarters, This notion people write things down oh so conveniently is sheer fantasy or what is called disinformation.

You and I will never know what any intelligence agency really believes. If you really think Al Jazeera and the Guardian are in the position to get their hands on secret cables then keep living that fantasy.

Intelligence is about disinformation and misdirection.

You and I will be the last to know about anything truthful. I am sure you know that.

My personal belief is that Iran got nuclear weapons from North Korea and what is going on now is a cover for some other game being played out. I mean it might be Iran building reactors that could make more weapons yes, then again how do you and I not know its about chemical weapons Iran is making? How would you or I know otherwise?

We won't know.

Just stop and think. Why send a nuclear bomb when you can send a chemical one that not only kills the same enemy but leaves the buildings in tact without deadly radiation hanging around?

Get with it. One missile with anthrax in it. That is all it takes and there is not as much fall out and the 3rd most precious site in the Islamic World in Jerusalem is not destroyed.

Nukes? Whatever. Any idiot can make a dirty mob wit radioactive fall out you don't need to send it in on a missile. One fool with a back pack can do it.

As for chemical weapons, they are real, they are here and you can point the finger at Britain, Germany, China, Russia and France for selling the chemicals to both Iraq and Iran NOT THE U.S.

 

Nuclear powerplants is a countries own domestic issue, that foreigners dont get a say in. It remains a fact that Bibi is a liar,.. since he has been selling "Iran is getting nuclear bombs in 1/2/3 years" since 1992. Besides that, the guy is a warcriminal because he heads the government that ethnic cleanses to expand his Jew-empire.

 

I'm not a Bibi fan. I'm just stating the truth. I never claimed the Mossad document was not true - only that what Bibi said in his speech also appeared in the IAEA report. If you listen to that speech, Bibi specifically says that he is quoting the IAEA report. And, what he said WAS in the report. Therefore, he told the truth in that speech. Now, after that the Mossad sent the letter. That letter contradicted the IAEA report, but also, keep in mind that the aforementioned Dept of Energy consultant sent a letter to both Obama and Hillary that said the IAEA report was hard to understand, and he gave them his translation. That does not mean that Obama and Hillary, who agreed with the initial IAEA report were liars any more than Bibi was a liar. It means that they believed what they thought the report said.

Bottom line - if you believe what you tell others - it's not a lie.

 

Then let me make you a fan...

Why Obama's Criticism of Netanyahu's Iran Speech Is Flawed

Politico's article about what Obama's team thinks of Netanyahu's speech are the talking points for those wish to bury their heads in the sand about the Iran.

Click here for the rest of this intense subject.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/why-obamas-criticism-netanayus-speech-flawed

 

Yetzerhara, your key defense to my rebuttal is "Why deny something that doesn't exist". That is just so hollow because it is patently obvious to any reader that the leaked cable DOES exist. The rest is just your POV about why government agencies would not send such cables. It contains zero substance. In fact the Snowden leaked files and the Wikileaks database prove just how unsubstantiated your POV is, because they contain literally tens of thousands of leaked agencies' communications. That additional thumb-suck is just one more case of your continued denial of existing evidence. The rest of your post is even more of an irrelevant strawman.

Your personal belief is completely irrelevant. Iran could have got nuclear ordnance from the Ukraine in the early 1990's. So could Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Yemen or Burkina Faso and the Christmas Islands. These are irrelevant to Bibi's lies.

The final nail in your coffin of Bibi not lying because the leaked cable did not originate with the Mossad, is that the penultimate director of the Mossad, Meir Dagan is on public record as agreeing fully with the contents of the cable!!! He retorted "Bullsh-t" while listening to Bibi's recent speech to the US Congress. You know this for a fact but you still perpetuate the defence. What a commitment you must have to hasbara mantras.

Walk it off, Yetserhara .... Bibi is a proven liar. You have debunked nothing, especially with the Dagan revelations.

 

Many thanks, HB.
Can you show us where Obama or his team critisised Netanyahu's speech?

Otherwise the article is just a series of strawmen.

 

Your claim rests solely on the assumption that Netanyahu's various speeches faithfully reflect "the IAEA report".
Let us get the facts less woolly - because I base everything on verifiable facts - to which "IAEA report" do you refer to in your defence that Bibi's various speeches faithfully reflect it, especially his notorious one to the UN of 2012?

Once clarified, I can proceed to compare them and then judge the veracity of your claim.

And. yes, we all know that the IAEA was extremely irresponsible in overstepping the existing protocol when making demands of Iran, and then drawing conclusions when Iran refused to comply with demands not provided for in its existing protocol. In fact it was a shameless disregard of UN rules on complaince. But that is irrelevant - just a definition of "the IAEA report" please.

 

Bibi is not only a proven liar, he is also an absolute idiot. A dangerous one. Let me remind you what he said about Iraq in 2002. How on earth anyone with a modicum of intelligence can take him seriously.

Benjamin Netanyahu in 2002 – “If You Take Out Saddam, I Guarantee, It Will Have Enormous Positive Reverberations on the Region
(Video clip provided)


http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/0...ormous-positive-reverberations-on-the-region/

 

.... which are PERCEIVED dangers, but in his espoused view. Now that becomes less noble than the way you put it. It now becomes a good definition of a bully and a bullsitter, rather than of a true leader, if those views are shown to be false.

The situation is exactly the same as when Begin unleashed the butcher Sharon to slaughter thousands of people in Lebanon. He "pointed out his perception of risk" but the problem is that he lied just as much as Bibi is doing now. Various Israeli historians as well as Sharon's son, agree on this. Do you think Begin was a noble leader to do that? I don't .... on the contrary. He was a criminal.

Dagan has shown that the contents of the leaked cable were perfectly in step with Mossad thinking. So I conclude that Bibi is a bully and a bullsitter, and not a true leader.