New Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

Time and context are relevant unless one is a Trump supporter. Second sentence makes absolute sense.

 

There were two suspensions to the aid. Once in 2017, and then again it was suspended in 2020. What's well known is that this aid went to the Chinese, basically behind the administration's back. To me, there was never a true reauthorization past 2017, which would be a damn good case for embezzlement. You're welcome. The man deserves to be behind bars for a lot of things.

 

Because one is simple, effective, cheap, and does not carry with it the risk of starting a global pandemic.

 

Masks are mind control devices for sheep.

 

So, those that don't wear them are sheep? I kinda figured that.

Masks control my mind like my pants do. And at my age, pants don't mean much. On or off.

 

I have not but I’m always up for a good read. Got any suggestions?

 

Your link is dated 2017. That’s not up to date like the OP’s article. Should I quote it from his article or did you read it

 

Look you kickin my butt all over this thread. That’s definitely cool

 

More liberals killing the people and the people that vote for and/or support them keep falling for their lies!

 

Yes, they created something that previously didn't exist, because they were testing the infection potential of spike genes for the variants they had recovered from the bat samples. It's sort of like testing whether a key works in a lock after finding it on the street. Rather than waiting for any random person to find the key and possibly rob your house, you give the key to a friend you know won't do any harm and have them try it. They used the WIV1 backbone, because it's harmless, to test the spike proteins. That way if it were to accidentally infect someone or escape, it wouldn't be dangerous.

Call it semantics if you want, but this research was intended to anticipate the next pandemic. It's significantly different than taking a virus that is potentially extremely dangerous to humans, but unable to infect our cells, and adding an infectious spike protein to it. That would be the kind of gain-of-function research that Fauci said we were not funding. And the paper that Rand Paul freaked out over does not describe that kind of gain-of-function research.

 

I've already quoted the OP article in this thread. Check post #6. It directly contradicts most of the hystrionics folks are exhibiting in here. The study I linked is the only paper trail I've seen linking the funding Fauci and the NIAID approved to any kind of coronavirus research. If you have some other paper trail, please link to it.

 

How did Fauci break the law? Everything of how this grant was funded was transparent and the same as every other NIH grant is funded: Peer reviewed by experts and discussed in a panel of experts, recommended for funding by the program officer, discussed by the NIAID Council and recommended for funding, and eventually funded It seems that none of the experts reviewing it had a problem with it.

Now, if you can demonstrate that Fauci hand-picked and funded this work AGAINST the recommendation of all these experts, you'd have a point. However, if he did this, for nefarious reasons that the Fauci haters allege, he'd probably given more than a pittance to the Chinese lab.

 

Isn't it amazing how hated the man is by the RW, just because he recommends wearing a mask in crowded settings and getting vaccinated.

 

Fauci admitted some of the funding in his feud with Rand Paul. Good grief. Then, he tried to hide the ball by claiming that what they were doing in Wuhan was not "gain of function" - despite the paper demonstrably proving it was.

 

If "the man" would stop lying, more people would take the vaccine.

 

Question: Would it have a gain of function if it didn't exist? If it didn't exist, it couldn't have the function of affecting human cells. So to me, this is all semantics. They didn't anticipate the next pandemic, they created the circumstances wherein the next pandemic would essentially happen, which is why the 'research' was halted, twice.

 

The conspiracy club is out of control in this thread. Let the hate flow. Anything to not blame their icon Dirty Donnie.

BTW, the Rutgers guy mentioned in post #1 in this thread, is this him ?

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“Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus,” said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University.

 

What did he say exactly?

The paper doesn't describe intentionally making a non-infectious virus infectious. I already quoted, multiple times, what they did. If you disagree, please quote from the paper. If you have a different paper, please link it.

 

There's a smoking bomb of a situation, in that the funding was halted twice, If this was flawless research that could help the American People, why was it halted twice and once moved out of the country? If it were so grand, the US government would want to keep it here in-house.

 

The spike proteins they were testing already existed in nature. That's where they got them in the first place. The type of "gain of function" research that Paul and Fauci went back and forth over is very specific: taking a virus that is potentially dangerous but does not infect humans and making it so that it infects humans, or increasing the infectivity of a virus that is only somewhat infectious. The research done in the paper is taking a virus that is harmless to humans (WIV1) and adding spikes of unknown infective potential in order to test whether they are infectious.

Also, I forgot to mention previously that numerous experts have pointed out that the spike sequences in the research paper are not related to the spikes of SARS-CoV-2. So there's no indication that this particular research is related, in any way, to the current pandemic.

 

Yes it does. I've already linked it, but here it is again, just for you....

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29190287

 

You're going to have to quote whatever you're taking issue with in that video, because I didn't hear anything controversial there from Fauci. Or give me a timestamp.

Please quote the part of the paper where they took an animal virus and made it more infectious in humans. Again, the procedure described in that paper is taking a virus found in nature, and putting the spike proteins from it into a known, harmless virus. What Paul and Fauci went back and forth about would be taking a virus that cannot infect humans (or has low infectivity) and adding known spikes to it to make it (more) infectious. Please quote the part of the paper you think describes them doing that.

 

So dirty donny’s administration let funds be spent behind his back? He was that incompetent?

 

No thanks. It's a short video. I'm not transcribing it for you. Just watch it.

I've quoted it already, but, just specially for you, I'll do so again, since you don't seem keen on reading.

Construction of recombinant viruses
Recombinant viruses with the S gene of the novel bat SARSr-CoVs and the backbone of the infectious clone of SARSr-CoV WIV1 were constructed using the reverse genetic system described previously [23] (S9 Fig). The fragments E and F were re-amplified with primer pairs (FE, 5’-AGGGCCCACCTGGCACTGGTAAGAGTCATTTTGC-3’, R-EsBsaI, 5’-ACTGGTCTCTTCGTTTAGTTATTAACTAAAATATCACTAGACACC-3’) and (F-FsBsaI, 5’-TGAGGTCTCCGAACTTATGGATTTGTTTATGAG-3’, RF, 5’-AGGTAGGCCTCTAGGGCAGCTAAC-3’), respectively. The products were named as fragment Es and Fs, which leave the spike gene coding region as an independent fragment. BsaI sites (5’-GGTCTCN|NNNN-3’) were introduced into the 3’ terminal of the Es fragment and the 5’ terminal of the Fs fragment, respectively. The spike sequence of Rs4231 was amplified with the primer pair (F-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-AGTCGTCTCAACGAACATGTTTATTTTCTTATTCTTTCTCACTCTCAC-3’ and R-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-TCACGTCTCAGTTCGTTTATGTGTAATGTAATTTGACACCCTTG-3’). The S gene sequence of Rs7327 was amplified with primer pair (F-Rs7327-BsaI, 5’-AGTGGTCTCAACGAACATGAAATTGTTAGTTTTAGTTTTTGCTAC-3’ and R-Rs7327-BsaI, 5’- TCAGGTCTCAGTTCGTTTATGTGTAATGTAATTTAACACCCTTG-3’). The fragment Es and Fs were both digested with BglI (NEB) and BsaI (NEB). The Rs4231 S gene was digested with BsmBI. The Rs7327 S gene was digested with BsaI. The other fragments and bacterial artificial chromosome (BAC) were prepared as described previously. Then the two prepared spike DNA fragments were separately inserted into BAC with Es, Fs and other fragments. The correct infectious BAC clones were screened. The chimeric viruses were rescued as described previously [23].

 

I did. I didn't hear anything controversial from Fauci. I said you could just give me a timestamp.

Where did the spike DNA fragments come from?