New option to prevent Covid: intramuscular long acting monoclonal antibodies

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It appears that every subsequent post to this thread was removed. Yes, monoclonal antibodies looks promising. As these are collected from folks who have actually had and defeated COVID, these antibodies have been shown in studies to be something like 27Xs more effective than the vaccination regime.
     
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    These seem effective to 77% (according to the study I linked to) and long-lasting, at least 3 months, maybe one year. So potentially people could get a shot of this, yearly, instead of the vaccine, and it would be a valid alternative indeed, in terms of the protection that is delivered.

    The interesting thing is, I've read recently (and have started a thread on it) that vaccine hesitant people are willing to embrace the monoclonal antibodies.

    So it's a bit paradoxical...

    Vaccines are two shots, then maybe we'll need a yearly booster.
    Long-acting monoclonal antibodies are also delivered via two shots, then maybe we'll need a yearly booster.

    They are experimental and they have been studied for a short period, just like the anti-vaxxers accuse the vaccines of being.

    So what makes the anti-vaxxers be all willing to go for this, but not for the vaccines?

    The monoclonal antibodies are also something they'll be putting into their bodies with the same frequency as the vaccines, and they are also known for some rare side effects.

    I guess the big bad word VACCINE is what scares these people... because if one is willing to do the monoclonal antibodies, there is no rational reason not wanting the vaccines.
     
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    Monoclonal antibodies are not derived from people who successfully fought Covid-19 like some people keep thinking. They are mixing them up with convalescent plasma. Monoclonal antibodies are made in a lab. We expose a white blood cell to an antigen, in this case the virus' S protein, that cell becomes an antibody factory (a.k.a. a plasma cell), and we clone that cell multiple times, to have massive production of antibodies; we harvest them and pack them into vials.
     
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    Removing posts to advance misinformation is the hallmark of social interaction in this time of universal deception.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oops, I replied to the wrong thread; deleted.
     
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    No, I don't think so. This article is a collection of updates. When a new update is published, the previous one on top goes to second, and so on. No need for paranoia that this is a "Bidenistas" trick.

    By the way, no wonder they ran out of sotrovimab. This one had a small market share and was in small supply already, and with half a million daily cases, what would you expect?
     
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    I'd expect the government to fix that now and not worry about his build back at a higher cost plan
     
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    Why do you think "the government" has to fix everything?
    Sotrovimab is made by a private company, GSK/Vir.
    They have a small production capacity for this drug. If they want to sell more, they need to make more.
     
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    I think the government has ruined everything they need to fix the crap they effed up

    Republicans question politics behind Biden decision to ration COVID treatment (yahoo.com)
    Biden's team tightens grip on state use of Covid antibody treatments - POLITICO

    what's that act everyone accused Trump of not using Why doesn't Biden use it here?
     
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    Oh come on. The reason it's rationed is because we don't have enough. The makers need to make more (the makers are private corporations that have these antibody cocktails under patent). It's not the fault of "The government" - it's market law, and it's private corporations. The demand is bigger than the offer. Don't you conservative praise market laws and abhor interference with private corporations? So what exactly do you want? I'm quite sure that if Biden mandated them to somehow make more (easier said then done; there is the issue of raw materials, industrial processing, equipment) you'd say he's a dictator abusing his powers and oppressing the poor private corporations.
     
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    At the same time, this was the same lunacy position that was taken earlier in the pandemic with regard to ventilators. Back then, I held the position that the Defense Authorization Act couldn't override the 14th amendment and make de-facto slaves lol. And I should still hold the same here, if I'm being philosophically consistent and not giving Biden a middle finger, just because.
     
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    Removing misinformation is the hallmark of social interaction.

    #fixedthatforyou
     
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    Do remember that it was Trump who threatened GE with using the Defense Production Act to make them make ventilators. But I wouldn't equal it to slave labor, because the products weren't meant to be confiscated, but rather, to be purchased from the company and distributed to states.

    But let's be frank. Possibly with your exception, I'm sure when Trump threatened to use the DPA the right praised him for using leadership and taking care of Americans, while if Biden were to threaten to use it too, he'd be deemed a dictator who abuses his powers.

    This is the nature of partisan politics in America these days, sadly. Everything your party does is great and everything the other party does is evil, regardless of it being exactly the same thing.
     
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    The confusing part to me is why you would rail against De Santis, in past postings, just because he made monoclonal antibody treatment as available as he did, also while promoting the vaccine.

    The arguments of the left are as bizarre as the arguments of the far right.

    The other thing that is really weird, is after reading your post on Ivermectin (past post promoting it) and then lurking for a few weeks you present yourself as a centrist, which is good because I like to think of myself as the same, but you oddly have it in for almost all right politicians more than left. Why the hate on Rand Paul? Is it because he grilled Fauci's involvement in gain of function research?

    These sorts of things should be dealt with publicly and not behind closed doors, so what he has done is a good thing.
     

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