New Pfizer drug and ivermectin

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'll see if I can find that note in RFK's book. Remember that telling the truth in a time of universal deception comes across as being looney. FYI this is a time of universal deception.
     
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    I know. :(
     
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    Regeneron is the one that was more effective at preventing infection in immunocompromised individuals when used as a passive vaccine than the approved vaccines. It was the one that applied for an EUA for this lifesaving purpose but for which one was never granted. Another decision by the FDA that killed a lot of people who didn’t have to die.
     
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    Research citation please
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    On page 63 of the book, in the section devoted to Remdesivir, Kennedy cites New England Journal of Medicine article from December 2019 regarding Remdesivir in a randomized controlled trial about Ebola. Remdesivir was 1 of 4 drugs being used. 6 months into that study the trial's Safety Review Board pulled both Remdesivir and ZMapp (one of the other drugs). Within 28 days, subjects taking Remdesivir had lethal side effects including multiple organ failure, acute kidney failure, septic shock and hypotension. 54% of the Remdesivir group died, the highest mortality rate among the 4 drugs.
     
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    More information on longevity of protection.

    https://res.mdpi.com/d_attachment/viruses/viruses-13-00628/article_deploy/viruses-13-00628-v3.pdf

    Here is an interesting piece about a Dr. who was happy to finally get Astra Zeneca antibodies for passive vaccination. It also details the timeline of EUA’s given for Regeneron and other monoclonal antibodies. Regeneron was finally given approval for post exposure prophylaxis, but never for use as passive vaccination. It also includes a good rundown of why monoclonal antibodies are superior to traditional vaccines for the immunocompromised.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787758

    If you are interested in learning more about the lifesaving technology I’ve been advocating for since June of 2021 based on the same type of data (phase 3 trial) I used to support EUA for the three vaccines in use in the US you can read more starting here in this thread.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072734400/
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No need to cry "Wierd" - when the subject matter expert in the room Educates you in something you didn't know.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quit running around crying Prove it - Prove it ... when no claim was made. silliness ..
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What did you want supported - how can we advance your education today mate ? :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go pick yourself up some ivermectin ... any idea what the actual risk of harm for the Drug you are pushing is ?
     
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    So many disturbing things like this .. folks showing up with psychological issues - happen to have Covid - marked as Covid admission cause you get paid. US data is garbage in the aggregate .. can find smaller studies that are legitimate - - can find better data from other nations though.
     
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    Subject matter experts back claims with citations and usually citations to sources other than “infowars”
     
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    Again this is an unsupported claim
     
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    Let us start with your claims in relation to Ivermectin and in particular that it has EVER been used either as an anti-inflammatory agent or as a treatment for pneumonia

    https://www.nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/ivermectin-1
     
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    And I have backed up my claims - with sources other than info-wars - handing it to you in the process. -- which seems to have gotten your goat - not responding to that conversation - interjecting into my posts to others with snide commentary.

    Sorry to burst up the Biden Fauci false narrative you have been singing - Same song you been humming to down under no doubt .. but Scientific Facts .. don't care about Biden nor Fauci.. and the fact of the matter is that the risk of harm from the vax for healthy people is way higher than the risk of harm from Covid .. nor does the vax significantly stop or prevent transmission or infection for hospitalization for healthy folks

    Which part of the Science are you having trouble understanding .. that you would like citations for.
     
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    No it was a trial medication conducted across multiple countries and the data did not support its use

    No it is not a “Parasitic infection” - try googling the word please
     
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    Hmmmm.

    https://www.aafp.org/afp/2016/0915/p512.html

    And more on mode of action regarding down regulation of inflammatory cytokines.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/medica...ctin-topical-anti-inflammatory-properties.amp

     
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    Yes it has been used for Rosacea but that does not mean it is an anti-inflammatory. Even your article, which is more an opinion piece states

    And more on mode of action regarding down regulation of inflammatory cytokines.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/medica...ctin-topical-anti-inflammatory-properties.amp[/QUOTE]

    Which also has a bog load of speculation and no links to the actual article it is purportedly quoting however at the end of the article this little gem caught my eye

    meanwhile, because I DO ado research before making claims I got my information from the text “Micomedex” unfortunately I cannot link to that because it is within a library only I have access to.

     
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    Opinion piece? It’s a drug review of an ivermectin product labeled for use for the symptom of inflammation resulting from rosacea! LOL.

    Here is the definition of rosacea for those that don’t know.

    (not my opinion) :)

    No link? It’s at the footnote of the article! Let me help.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/all.13118

    It is behind a paywall but it sounds like probably not for you. Enjoy.

    For others here is the abbreviated results section AGAIN of a peer reviewed study published in Allergy.

    Speculation? You reject murine research and cellular assay? Interesting.


    Finally, a little quiz since you think the funding of the research invalidates the claims of published peer reviewed research. Who paid for the trials of the Pfizer Covid vaccine? Who compensates subjects for their time, travel expenses, etc. in the Pfizer trials? Who gives age appropriate gifts to child subjects of Pfizer trials? LOL.

    If you had done any research you would have known about the use of Ivermectin for inflammation in rosacea and eczema, both of which are inflammatory diseases caused by immune dysfunction. To redeem yourself you must present evidence symptoms of eczema and rosacea are not inflammation related. You must present evidence the peer reviewed published study in Allergy that claims inflammation reduction due to IVM is fraudulent and the peer reviewers are in error. I’m certainly open to any evidence of this you can provide.

    You are incorrect on a large percentage of your claims on PF. Sorry if I don’t take your word for a source you can’t produce any evidence for. Surely you can produce an abstract or edited results section as I have for a study behind a pay wall. Seldom is research so secret that at least an abstract can’t be produced.

    Clearly IVM has been used as an anti-inflammatory agent. Your opinion conflicts with peer reviewed research and drug labeling standards.
     
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    What Data ? no idea what you are talking about - what part of "you havn't cited a thing from your link do you not understand" ? This fellow does some good trashing of some of the nonsense out there - and he is totally pro vax -- whicy is why he is allowed to post on youtube - ..

    I have googled the word -and as stated have subject matter expertise in this area .. - Think it is you that needs do the googling - not that it will matter as you will deny anything that doesn't fit the Biden Fauci false narrative you unexplicably worship like a God. Well - I suppose not that unexplicably given dearth of State Sponsored Propaganda Narratives... but these folks - and doctors in general - quite ignorant of environmental microbiology ..unfortunately -- but that is another story

    Lets get back to your uniformed claim that "Pneumonia" is not a parasitic infection .. a

    So - taking your advice - despite your lack of ability to respond in kind - I have googled the term "Parasitic infection"

    From the Merck Manuel
    Overview of Parasitic Infections
    https://www.merckmanuals.com/en-ca/...-an-overview/overview-of-parasitic-infections

    Now that we know bacteria is a "Parasite" - which you can go tell your doctor as they may not know - and you know that bacteria are the cause of the infection that causes bacteria (I would hope)
     
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    One of the many sad results of this Plandemic is that the American Medical Association has lost all credibility. Because of its loyalty to Pharma, it has blood on its hands, a very sad day.
     
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    Ding, Ding, Ding. Did you bother to read even the first sentence of your linked source?

    "The Donald Trump administration offered “large sums of money” to get exclusive access to a coronavirus vaccine being developed by a German company, Die Welt reported Sunday."

    Donald Trump personally did not attempt to buy this for his own gain, the US Government attempted to buy it on our behalf.

    This was reported at the time when the whole world was scrambling to avail their folks to a vaccine based approach. Did you notice that your Ding, Ding, Ding, article is nearly two years old?

    Do you still think that "Authorities are coordinating with FL County Sheriff's to drag Trump from Mara Lago" as you fantasized about previously?
     
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    Ding ding ding

    and Pfizer turned it down

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/trump-pfizer-vaccine-coronavirus
     

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