New Power to the President, Declassify in Mind?

Actually it is and that is how Judge Dearie sees it too, along with everyone else who has worked with classified documents.

 

Let me put this situation to rest by giving you all the procedures that must be followed by the "president" to declassify documents:

 

I just responded to another post of yours with a clear answer to the procedures that need to be followed. No opinion, but legal fact decided by the courts

 

EO's are legally binding to the president because they are part of the executive branch, not above it.

 

That is complete BS. Although the President does have the ultimate authority to classify or declassify any government document, when it comes to national defense information, there is a process to let those agencies know about the declassification. EO 13526 and other laws on the books make that abundantly clear. In fact, when it comes to national defense information declassification, it involves three groups of people. The first is the president of the United States, the second is the agency with whom the national defense information was obtained, and the third is the NSA agency so that they can warn their spies and other informants that the information, means, or methods of obtaining that information is being declassified.

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/CFR-2017-title32-vol6/CFR-2017-title32-vol6-sec2001-32

https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/appendix/12958.html

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence...aim-he-can-declassify-thinking-absurd-1746021

https://news.yahoo.com/former-cia-director-says-trump-102232530.html

 

You've been proven wrong merely because there is NO process the president must follow to declassify, but I'll tell you what, Lucky1knows, if you are too proud to admit that you are wrong, there is no sense in me trying to convince you otherwise. I accept your surrender, and I bid you farewell now.

 

With 18 USC 793, it is not based on classification or declassification. It is based on national defense information in his possession. And he had it.

But right now, Judge Dearie and the 11th Appeals Court have disagreed with you and say the said documents in question, about 100 of them, are classified. Disagree with them if you like.

 

It is. But the Trump supporters will now argue that Trump was not bound by said EO from Obama. The Trump supporters have made that argument in the past and will do so again.

 

That’s unfortunate because it influences your thinking and could be cause for biased conclusions. Not a good look for an impartial judge.

Based on some of the opinions I’ve seen expressed here, I would say common sense on the left is in short supply.

The risk assessments haven’t even been started and yet you think you’ve got it all figured out.

Thanks for giving me the last word!

 

Says who? With the stroke of a pen the POTUS could rescind any previous EO written by others and himself.

 

I'm not going through this with you again...I did so earlier in the thread, and bowed out then, but if you persist,
Trump was correct to say that a president doesn't need a process to declassify. The president answers to no one. Fact
RTT and review: I already refuted and quoted in multiple posts throughout the thread; from Post #540 on.

Bye again...

 

It’s like some people are not listening.

 

Further proof that the DOJ will not be pursuing an indictment against the former president of the US. They wouldn't want to be looking like complete fools in court, would they?

Sourced below, and quoted in bold.
Trump has legal authority to declassify intelligence - ABC News (go.com)
Trump has legal authority to declassify intelligence
Despite the blowback, Trump is right.

Executive Order 13526
As president, Trump has the legal power to declassify information. He also has the authority to share information with whomever he wants, including foreign adversaries.

At the White House today, Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, defended Trump's disclosure and said it "is wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever information he thinks is necessary to advance the security of the American people."

Trump is protected under an executive order that was signed by Barack Obama in 2009 establishing a uniform system for "classifying, safeguarding and declassifying national security information."

The order allows the president to determine the system of designating classified information, and he is the ultimate authority over U.S. intelligence agencies, which gather and classify the information.

The Supreme Court confirmed as much in its 1988 ruling in Department of Navy v. Egan.

"[The president's] authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant," the court said.

 

These are the people the echo chamber depends on to do their dirty work.

 

Evidently you did not click on the link to the Federal Appeals court where it addressed this same issue and legally stated that the President has to follow procedures for declasiffication.

If you can't accept the truth and the facts, there is nothing more I can do. Keep on believing whatever you want to believe

https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/18-2112/18-2112-2020-07-09.pdf

 

Some will not believe it no matter what, or do believe it but will never admit it. Some just troll and want to hear themselves talk...

If dear leader can lie and call the voting public semi-fascist extremists that jeopardize democracy, it's no wonder that some that go along with that kind of bullshit won't admit that they're very wrong about the executive power of the presidency.

 

This link will prove you wrong:

https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/18-2112/18-2112-2020-07-09.pdf

 

You are wrong. See post #638 that "may" help to clear up your confusion. The president follows NO process.

 

When you are left with desperately trying and failing to spin/twist what I posted, that's the dreams of a poster that is likely driven by a propaganda motive

 

You’re going to have to quote the exact portion from your link that supports your position.

 

Lol, you're a better person than me for asking.
I suffered through it, and it says NOTHING about the POTUS having to follow a process for declassification. I'd say Lucky1knows pulled something out from somewhere, tossed it at the wall, and hoping it would stick. Not so lucky for him that I can read and at the same time.

 

In terms of that business mans knowledge- what he needs to know is not as comprehensive, as detail as you imply. But he must know the right things. Berkshire- Buffet's company owns about 100 other companies, all of them of considerable size. They have around a half-million employees. The scope is not concentrated in any industry or sector. Th most impressive thing to me is that the Berkshire headquarters that keeps all of that profitable and running smoothly- has only 25 employees, or did at the last meeting I attended in 2020. That is incredibly small- and obviously evidence of incredible management abilities rather than knowing all the fine details. It's not so much how much you know- but the relevance of what you know to your purpose, and the understanding of what you know so you can use it wisely and timely- what might be called savvy. It's also knowing what you don't know, which is a common cause of business failure- exceeding your limitations.
Usually stated that 50% of new businesses fail within 5 years. I believe it

Everybody makes mistakes. It's the preponderance, the consistency of bad judgement and bad decisions that bring about failures, not the fact people have flaws. It's also where you make your mistakes, when you make them. What the business man must know includes many things the employees have no use for- and vice versa. The details needed are different; the skills are much different. .

Friends in high places was not mentioned as some kind of competitive claim, but to point out that I've been able to learn much of what I know from very successful people. Proven knowledge, not armchair expertise. That has helped me become successful as well as helping me give others the right help in their own pursuits. Most importantly, many of these people who I refer too were very wise, and of excellent character. Not all by any means; I've seen some pretty poor behavior from the richest person Ive ever met and done business with.

In terms of the value of knowledge, one of the best things to know is how to read people; that is much like seeing the future. That allows you to know when to walk away from a deal in advance; one you would later wish you had never gotten into. That too however is more of an acquired instinct than just knowledge.

Just as everyday people are mixed, people in business are as well. People in politics too. Unfortunately, bad politicians often last a lot longer than bad businessmen.
I'm working on fixing that, and very soon- I'll be asking you to help.

 

I don’t know why anyone would expect someone else to go wading through a court case looking for whatever supports their argument. Unless it’s as you suggest; they are hoping to waste your time.

 

And did Trump do that? Why else would a POTUS need to do it with a stroke of a pen if they were not bound by it? Hence, the slate is not wiped clean and the POTUS is still bound by executive orders of the previous administration.

 

The DOJ is not arguing whether or not a POTUS has authority to declassify. None of that is mentioned in the warrant. Trump lawyer's won't even say whether or not he declassified those documents because that's not the issue here.