New York: The State with the most restrictions, is setting records for new cases

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You dont die from the bullet, you die form the damage it does to your organs

You dont die from covid, you die from the damage it does to your organs

 

I don’t know if what’s going on in the lungs of the covid patient can be called a pneumonia. Covid causes inflammation of the linings of your blood vessels. Your lungs are pretty much capillaries surrounding air sacks.
In traditional cold or pneumonia your lungs are filled with mucus that is excessively excreted by the lungs. The lining of the blood vessels in the lungs cause pneumonia-like symptoms in hard covid patients, but the root cause of the difficulty with oxygen exchange is quite different.
In healthy individuals, the immune systems don’t allow covid to progress very far, but in a few it does cause the organ failure (lungs are organs).
So, covid CAN be the direct cause of death.

 

This huge outbreak is the new omicron variant. It spreads like wildfire! And, there isn't a specific vaccine for it yet. Moderna said that there should be a vaccine for omicron some time in spring 2022.

In fact, where I live in New York the infection rate is about 25% of the population is infected. Very high.

 

COVID does cause some inflammation, as all diseases do, and it does hijack some cells, but it does not cause any severe inflammation (meaning that it is lethal). Additionally, COVID is never listed on Line A of Section I of a death certificate. People are dying WITH COVID, not FROM COVID.

 

Presuming for the sake of argument that your number is accurate, imagine how much lower it might have been if Fauci & Company had not told so many patients to go home and come back when it's worse?

Imagine how different the number of dead might be if Fauci & Company had embraced and practiced early treatment.

Instead they discouraged early treatment, and criticized those like Peter McCullough who did practice it.

 

You can pick and choose the dates and numbers all day long, but for the sake of comparison Florida also had their 85K day and have more deaths than NY. The numbers are what they are, because this is a very contagious virus. Over 2000 teachers called in sick this week in Miami-Dade area alone.

Yes. Its common sense that high density areas are worse off. When this is over, most people should have immunity, and so far there have not been widespread lockdowns, which is in synch with the reports of this variant being much milder.

We'll see what the new French variant brings.

 

COVID-19 certainly "hijacks" cells. That's what its spikes are for - to attach itself to protein surrounding cells, to gain entry to (infect) cells throughout the body. And it does indeed cause inflammation - inflammation is how the immune system responds to the virus. In some, this response gets out of hand, causing pneumonia (inflammation of the lungs), acute respiratory distress, sepsis, etc., which can be fatal. Where these cases are fatal, the cause of death is indeed COVID-19. They have died as a result of their body's response to the virus. No virus, no death.

COVID-19 will rarely appear on Line A of Section 1 of a death certificate. Line A is for the immediate cause of death, not the underlying (triggering) cause of death - the condition which caused the conditions leading to death. So, if someone gets COVID-19 which causes pneumonia which causes sepsis and death, Section 1 will be as follows:

Line A - Sepsis (immediate cause of death)
Line B - Pneumonia
Line C - COVID-19 (underlying/triggering cause of death)

Similarly, you won't find things like "gun shot wound", "cancer" or ""traffic accident on Line A either. They will also be bottom of the list, being the first in a chain of events which ultimately caused the person to die - and without which they would not have died.

 

You don't die from the clot shots, you die from the damage they do to your organs.

Of course all don't die from the shots. Many, like friends of mine, are simply injured severely. We are hoping the injuries won't be forever, but they probably are because the DNA of the recipients has been altered by mad scientists.

 

This is generally correct.

This is incorrect.

Not necessarily.

COVID-19 will NEVER appear on Line A of Section 1 of a death certificate.

Correct.

Correct.

Not necessarily.

Not necessarily.

Correct.

Correct.

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Holy crap......your scientific proof that your DNA is being altered is what ?

You know that their is proof that the vaccines do not interact with DNA right ?

 

You haven't been paying attention sir.

Happy New Year.

 

Amended response, due to the newest site rule: I'll just say that COVID is never listed on Line A of Section 1 of a death certificate.

 

Where COVID-19 has caused the condition that caused death, the cause of death is COVID-19. If they did not have COVID-19, they would not have had the condition that caused them to die. It's really very simple, so not at all clear why you don't understand this. For example:

Sepsis DUE TO pneumonia DUE TO Covid-19.

In a small percentage of cases COVID-19 does indeed sometimes appear on Line A, notably where the person died at home, was dead on arrival at the hospital, etc., and pending further information.

 

It doesn’t really matter how the death is recorded. I’m just saying that covid can be the direct cause of death.

 

Repetition of what you said before.

Show me a death certificate in which COVID-19 is listed on Line A of Section 1. Location of death and uncertainty of death details are not cause of death.

 

It does matter, as such death certificates list COVID as a condition that one had at some point in time prior to one's death, not that COVID itself caused the death. Dying with COVID is not dying of COVID.

COVID in and of itself does not kill. It is the pneumonia that it might induce that can kill.

 

Show the proof. If its there is should be easy to provide a reputable source that make the claim

The actual science shows that that is wrong

 

Of course location of death and uncertainty of details are not a cause of death. They are reasons why COVID-19 may be the only condition on the death certificates. For instance, where a person with COVID-19 is already dead, full details on the progression of COVID-19 - the intermediate and immediate causes of death - may not be immediately available or known to the certifying physician. Provisional CDC mortality and co-morbidity data captures everything on COVID-19 death certificates, including these instances where COVID-19 is the only condition mentioned - at last count, about 5% of death certificates.

 

You are contradicting yourself.

The fact that COVID-19 "induces" pneumonia, means that COVID-19 has CAUSED the pneumonia. This being the case, they would not have died if they did not have COVID-19. Thus COVID-19 is the cause of death. They died FROM COVID-19.

Saying that COVID-19 does not in itself kill is like saying that someone who died from a perforating brain injury caused by a gunshot to the head did not die from a gunshot to the head. Of course they did. The gunshot CAUSED the brain injury in the same way that COVID-19 caused the pneumonia. The two causes of death are gunshot and COVID-19 - they are the two factors without which the person would not have died.

 

I should correct what I said here. COVID is not causing the inflammation, but rather the immune system is causing it (as a response). This occurs with regard to any disease.

 

And, in someone infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the immune system is causing inflammation in response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Therefore the virus IS causing the inflammation.

 

doesn't mean people are following the restrictions

that said, this new Omicron spreading may be a good thing, herd immunity, the unvaccinated knew the risks

 

It CAN induce pneumonia. It doesn't always do so. In fact, it typically doesn't. COVID in and of itself cannot kill. The same applies to flu and common cold patients. Flu and colds in and of themselves likewise do not kill. It is the pneumonia induced by them which kills.

... except that there are many instances in which COVID-19 infection does not involve any sort of pneumonia at all. Pneumonia is a bacteriological infection of the lungs that can be induced by any of the thousands upon thousands of viruses in existence. It is the pneumonia that kills, not any SARS-CoV virus, influenza virus, or rhinovirus.

A complete assumption on your part. Any of the thousands upon thousands of viruses in existence can induce pneumonia.

This conclusion is based on a complete assumption.

Nope. They died from something else.

A gunshot is directly causal to the death. That's not the case with COVID.

At best, a coincidental COVID infection is being stretched into being an "underlying cause of death", which then gets stretched into being a "cause of death". IOW, COVID-19 infection has been stretched from "having existed in the patient" into "having caused the death of the patient".

 

The immune system is causing it (as a response).

 

This "in and of itself" argument is utterly inane. Once a pathogen has entered our body, there's no such thing as "in and of itself". Once in the body, it is no longer a separate powerless entity. It causes a reaction, and it is the nature of this reaction - the way our body responds - that gives it the potential to harm or kill us. Describing these reactions as "induced" by a pathogen while denying that they are caused by the pathogen is similarly inane. If something is induced by something it is caused by something. And, where the end result is death, the cause of death is the pathogen that caused the reaction that killed.

Of course there are many instances in which COVID-19 doesn't cause pneumonia. Some people have such a mild reaction that they have no noticeable symptoms at all. Their immune system responds effectively, without going into overdrive. Where, in others, COVID-19 induces - i.e. CAUSES - the body to develop pneumonia and the person dies, this is the last step in a chain of events that began with the virus. Hence the underlying cause of death is COVID-19. It caused the pneumonia which killed.

Where pneumonia has been caused by the body's reaction to a different virus, bacteria or condition, then that will be cited as the underlying cause of death.

Thousands? Hardly, but several, yes. Also, bacteria and other conditions. And there's no need to assume which has caused pneumonia. Diagnostic testing, scans etc., and differing characteristics will identify the CAUSE - a necessary precursor to treatment.

If someone dies from a condition caused by COVID-19, the underlying cause of death is COVID-19. If they didn't have COVID-19 they wouldn't have developed the condition that killed them. Again, I have no idea why you find this so difficult to understand.

It's exactly the same. BOTH are directly causal. The gunshot caused the traumatic brain injury which killed them. COVID-19 caused the pneumonia which killed them. Remember, the pneumonia is identifiable as caused by COVID-19.

There's no stretching. The underlying cause of death is the event without which the person would not have died. This is how it works. Again, viruses, bacteria, conditions, injuries etc. cause a reaction in the body and when that reactions kills, the thing which caused that reaction is responsible for death. In the case of COVID-19, pneumonia is a reaction to COVID-19. It is CAUSED by COVID-19. Saying that it's "coincidental" just because other things can cause it too is nonsense, not just because it's cause is identifiable but because that would make countless symptoms of countless other diseases "coincidental" too.