New Yorkers to see 50% drop in health insurance costs in Obamacare exchange

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  1. VanishingPoint

    VanishingPoint Active Member

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    :clapping: I see more good things about Obamacare everyday! I am so pleased to share this new tidbit! Yay....

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/17/news/economy/obamacare-health-insurance-new-york/?google_editors_picks=true

    New York state residents will be able to get health insurance next year on the Obamacare exchange for half the average price available in the state today.

    The cost of a "silver" plan -- which covers at least 70% of medical costs, on average -- will drop to as little as $359 a month for a single adult Manhattan resident, for instance, according to a rate sheet released Wednesday by state officials. Currently, the cheapest plan a city resident can buy on the individual market is $1,001.
     
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    Nice to see some balance. But heck those prices are eye-watering!
     
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    Yes, but for us, it is better than nothing.
     
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    good to see a reverse to the trend we have been seeing for the last decade
     
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    I wonder who's going to be paying for this.

    Likely all those young adults who will be forced into buying comprehensive health insurance plans they don't really need.
    Combined with a little bit of federal subsidies of course, subsidies which we are not even sure if the federal government will come through on

    Young working adults are going to be put under the Liberal yoke of servitude. I don't see how many of them are going to be able to pay for these expensive health plans. They certainly won't have much money left over for anything else

    Young Obama supporters, I hope you like Liberals telling you where your money is going to go. I don't need an Obama Care plan to tell me whether I need to buy my own health insurance with my own money.
     
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    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is. But on reflection on my comments the high insurance prices must relate to the expense involved in purchasing medical/health care so it's all relative I suppose.

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    This is why a single payer plan is better than insurance.
     
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    Forty percent of the uninsured are young, according to KFF. But speculation that they pass up insurance because of their good health is unjustified. KFF reports that many young people lack insurance because it’s not available to them, and people who turn down available insurance tend to be in worse health, not better, according to the Institute of Medicine
     
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    Which means they will go up.



    Which means you will be paying for New Yorkers insurance.



    In other words, want lower rates than available? Move to New York where they will eventually rise anyway due to actual cost.

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/17/news/ec ... -new-york/
     
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    Oh, I almost forgot that the young will be on their parents insurance until 26, right when there brains are fully developed. Yay!!!!
     
  10. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The rates are based on a model that predicts that the young will flock to it and buy insurance. For many going from 0 to $359 a month will be a big draw!
     
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    I consider 26 an adult, probably finished with college, and working. How young are you talking about?
     
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    Which is why the real solution is single payer like they have in Canada or Europe, or any number of other civilized places.
     
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    Ok fine by only with drug testing. You fail two test then you have to go on a private system.
     
  14. Hoosier8

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    Because rationing health care is so attractive.
     
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    Another right wing lie.

    There is no rationing of healthcare in Canada.

    There is plenty of it here.
     
  16. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course there is and a good example is Natasha Richardson.
     
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    I sure get spammed a lot on this forum.

    :yawn:
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you call having to face reality spamming, the so be it.
     
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    I call repeating the same right wing lies over and over and over again spamming.

    And that's exactly what goes on on this forum.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, you are the font of truth and being blind to reality is a virtue. I get it.
     
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    [video=youtube;uqyLA74gmPQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqyLA74gmPQ[/video]
     
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    Must be nice to live in the nanny state. But what if you live in Ohio:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...ividual-market-health-premiums-by-88-percent/

    or California:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...ease-individual-insurance-premiums-by-64-146/

    The fact is that almost every area will see an increase of premiums. It will be nice for those in New York if these rates do lower, but the rest of America will suffer under Obamacare.
     
  23. Hoosier8

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    Fantasy does appear to be your standard response.
     
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    Please get your facts straight before your post. It is so annoying.

    Canadian Choppers​
    The e-mail also falsely claims that it took eight hours to drive actress Natasha Richardson to a hospital in Canada in March after she fell and hit her head while skiing. "If Canada had our healthcare she might be alive today," the e-mail speculates, saying that the U.S. has fast-moving medical helicopters and implying that Canada doesn’t.

    That’s not true; in fact, the province of Ontario has an air ambulance system that the Toronto Star called "the envy of North America" and "the largest and most sophisticated of its kind on the continent." However, it is true that the province of Quebec, where Richardson was skiing, is the only province in the country that doesn’t have an air ambulance system, according to the Star. And her death raised questions about whether a helicopter could have made a difference in the tragedy.

    Mont Tremblant Ski Resort, where Richardson was taking a lesson on a beginner’s slope on March 16, is about 25 miles from Centre Hospitalier Laurentien in Ste-Agathe, where Richardson was first taken. Ambulance records obtained by the New York Times show that the ambulance arrived nine minutes after a call was made for it, and it took 38 minutes to get to Centre Hospitalier Laurentien. Richardson was later moved to Montreal’s Sacre-Coeur Hospital, which has a trauma center and a team of neurosurgeons that the smaller Ste-Agathe hospital lacks.

    The ambulance that took her to Ste-Agathe was the second to arrive for her; the first was turned away when the actress said she was fine. As the Times, and many others, reported, the first ambulance arrived at 1 p.m. but was turned away. At 3 p.m., when Richardson said she wasn’t feeling well, the second ambulance was summoned. Paramedics attended to her and then made the 38-minute trip to the hospital in Ste-Agathe, arriving at 4:20 p.m.

    At about 6 p.m., she was transported to the Montreal hospital. The time line of events has prompted many questions as to whether Richardson could have been successfully treated had the ambulance taken her straight to the Montreal hospital rather than Ste-Agathe, or if she had gone to the hospital in the first ambulance, or if she had been transported sooner from the Ste-Agathe hospital to the facility in Montreal. Or if a helicopter could have taken her from Ste-Agathe to Montreal, a drive of about 45 minutes, or if a helicopter could have been called by the resort.

    The Toronto Star reported that “Quebec is the only province that doesn’t have a network of helicopter air ambulances in place,” a situation the Quebec government had been studying. The Star said that the head of the trauma center at Montreal’s McGill University Health Centre had voiced concerns about this at a conference before Richardson’s death. Dr. Tarek Razek warned that skiers needed to wear helmets, saying "I cannot get you to my centre fast enough to have those reductions in mortality. I just can’t.” Razek told conference participants that Quebec was "the only region that I’ve ever been able to find in the Western world" without an air ambulance system.

    In a letter to Canada’s National Post, Razek said that Canada’s health care system wasn’t at fault, putting the blame squarely on Quebec.
     
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    They can join the exchange and buy the gold package instead of Private insurers.
     

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