Newt v. Everybody — Lugar v. The Tea Party

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  1. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    Media, RINO & Democrats obviously believe that in the eyes of American voters Ron Paul’s foreign policy is his Achilles’ heel. The establishment’s position is yet to be proved.

    So far, I’ve not heard one pundit admit, or even mention, the American Sovereignty Restoration Act:


    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1146.IH:

    HR 1146 wipes out any flaws one might see in Paul’s positions —— foreign and domestic. You may ask: How can you be so sure of that? Answer: By going to the “Are Americans better off” school of thinking.

    1. Are Americans worse off because of membership in the United Nations? (Yes.)

    2. Are Socialists/Communists better off because of the United Nations? (Yes.)

    3. Are ruling classes better off because of the United Nations? (Yes.)

    4. Are totalitarian governments the world over better off because of the United Nations. (Yes.)

    While Ron Paul is being portrayed as a radical kook no less of an authority on Kookdom than Newt Gingrich said:


    "I think Barack Obama is very destructive to the future of the United States. I think Ron Paul's views are totally outside the mainstream of virtually every decent American," Gingrich said Tuesday in a CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer.

    Could he vote for Paul? "No." If it came down to Paul vs. Obama? "You'd have a very hard choice at that point."

    Gingrich Unloads on Paul: Worse Than Obama
    By Jill Lawrence
    December 27, 2011 | 6:24 PM

    http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/12/gingrich-unloads-on-paul-worse.php

    Do not vote for Ron Paul came from a top Republican while the media is working overtime to convince conservatives they have to support the Republican nominee no matter who it might be. The story is “Anybody but Obama.” I guess the new story is: “Anybody but Paul.”

    While Gingrich had the balls to refer to decent Americans in his attack on Ron Paul he is being let off easy for attacking federal judges.

    Just to be clear, I am not defending judges of any kind. Let’s face it. Judges are lawyers; so it makes no sense pointing to the sorry reputation lawyers acquired over countless centuries while respecting judges. Simply put: A black robe is not a shower.

    The problem I have with Gingrich’s attack on judges is that he did not say he wants to eliminate every federal court except the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is authorized in the US Constitution. The role it plays is the only thing open for discussion. Not so with the lower courts. All of the lower federal courts can be eliminated by Congress at any time.


    Congress acted comfortably within its powers: The Constitution makes it master of the federal courts’ jurisdiction. Indeed, other than the Supreme Court, all federal courts are creatures of statute — the Constitution does not require their existence.

    Andrew C. McCarthy December 21, 2011 4:00 A.M.
    Gingrich and the Courts
    Time to rein in the imperial judiciary.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286355/gingrich-and-courts-andrew-c-mccarthy

    I’d like nothing better than to see them shut down. It is the judges in those lower federal courts who do so much damage. They overturn state laws, they stay the implementation of state laws, they legislate and moralize. In short they are advocates for Socialist incrementalism because most of the things they do to the states is never taken up by the Supreme Court. In time, and out of sheer frustration, the public accepts another incremental bite from federal courts.

    Only fools expect Congress, or President Gingrich, to do anything about lower court judges. Elected officials worked long and hard to give the right kind of federal judges legislative authority. The reason: Judges do not stand for reelection. Ergo, there is no group better positioned to do the dirty work for Socialist legislators who are mostly lawyers.

    The sad truth about lawyers is that there has never been one who did not want to enrich himself by manipulating laws. That can be chalked up to ordinary greed except for one thing; every one of them wants bigger government ending in full-fledged totalitarian government administered by the legal profession.

    Finally, the Tea Party is getting blamed for bad things by UN-loving Richard Lugar who is in trouble in his bid for a sixth term in the US Senate. Lugar’s opponent, Richard Mourdock, should ask him the “Are Americans better off” questions I posed. I will wager that Lugar’s answers will be the opposite of the answers I gave.


    GOP senator says Tea Party challenges 'killed off' efforts at a Senate majority
    By Meghashyam Mali - 12/25/11 10:08 AM ET

    Sen. Dick Lugar (Ind.) facing a primary contest from the right in his reelection bid said past Tea Party-backed challenges had “killed off” Republican efforts to take the Senate in the past and could undermine a GOP majority again in 2012.

    “A Republican majority in the Senate is very important, and Republicans who are running for reelection ought to be supported by people who want to see that majority,” Lugar said in an interview which aired Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union.

    “I think the majority of Tea Party people understand that too,” he added.

    Lugar who is facing a tough primary challenge from Tea Party-backed Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock ® said he was the best GOP option to win the seat and that past attempts by grassroots groups to install candidates they found more conservative had backfired.

    "If I was not the nominee it might be lost," he said of his seat. "Republicans lost the seats before in Nevada and New Jersey and Colorado where there were people who were claiming they wanted somebody who was more of their Tea Party aspect but they killed off the Republican majority."

    "This is one of the reasons why we have a minority in the Senate right now," he claimed.

    Lugar said that conservative Indiana voters looking for a candidate should look at his record. "I would say to them respectfully that it is me."

    "I have a very conservative voting record over the course of the time I've served," he said.

    "Certainly unique, I think, in the Senate, of having been a farmer, a small businessman, a Naval officer, a mayor, a school board member. These are grassroots functions that people are dealing with."

    Lugar also denied claims Senate Republicans had undercut the House GOP in the payroll tax fight and warned that the protracted fight would make it “very difficult” to find a year-long tax holiday extension.

    Lugar defended the Senate compromise negotiated by Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) He said McConnell was committed to a year-long extension but that the deadlock necessitated a short term deal.

    “I think that Mitch McConnell offered an avenue, an approach that said this is a serious business, we have to talk about a year solution, but this is not likely to be resolved in the next few days,” said Lugar.
    He said senators were forced to act to avoid the wide-ranging repercussions if a deal was not struck saying that wage earners would have seen “the tax holiday go… apart from those who are unemployed on unemployment compensation or the doctors in Medicare.”

    He said the Senate GOP position was “why don’t we, as a matter of fact, talk for a period of time but do so after the 1st of January.”

    Lugar sounded a pessimistic note about reaching a deal in the next round of fighting over a yearlong extension.

    "I think it will be very difficult. Just as the committee of twelve found it would be very difficult even if the objective was to reduce the deficits, the problems of our balanced payments.”

    “We just simply find it’s difficult to do in this context, but not impossible," said Lugar.

    Lugar said his provision to fast track an administration decision on the Keystone XL pipeline helped sell the deal to Senate Republicans. “One factor that led the Senate to come to a conclusion was the Keystone pipeline,” he said.

    “At least 20,000 new jobs, six and a half billion dollar investments from the Canadians and much more oil independence for the United States. A real winner, but President Obama because of environmentalists surrounding the White House apparently literally said we won't do anything until 2013. We said you need to make a decision within 60 days.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...enges-killed-off-efforts-at-a-senate-majority
     
  2. Flanders

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    Daren Jonescu over at Canada Free Press looks at Dick Morris’ variation of “Anybody but Obama.”

    Morris is the ultimate Clinton stooge; he was instrumental in getting Bubba a second term. In my book that makes him a Democrat party operative for all time. Morris is a politically astute guy to be sure, but anything he says about which Republican candidate conservatives should get behind must be taken with a big box of salt. Every time I hear Morris talk about Republicans or conservatives, I ask myself “What’s in it for the Clintons?”

    Jonescu is big on Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum. He closes his piece with this:


    “Let Bachmann and Santorum duke it out for the nomination. Any constitutional conservative could be happy with that.”

    Welcome to Establishment Fear-Mongering 101
    Daren Jonescu Wednesday, December 28, 2011

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43529

    Anybody who has been reading my messages knows that Bachmann is my choice hands down, but I part company with Jonescu on Santorum.

    Forget what Santorum says. The man is a former US Senator. Judge Santorum by the only good thing Hussein ever did —— he took himself and two other foul balls out of the Senate, Biden and Clinton. As things now stand, this country cannot survive another wannabe from either party that comes from that nest of traitors. It will be so until the XVII Amendment is repealed, or the Tea Party elects a majority of true conservatives to the Senate.
     
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    Whether the Tea Party derails Lugar or not will not affect the GOP takeover of the Senate. If Mourdock wins the nomination he'll stomp Donnelley.

    In 2010 Donnelley just barely beat a political rookie in a district where there was a Democratic gerrymander.

    Against Mourdock, Donnelley will have to win statewide with Obama hung around his neck. No gerrymander = no chance.

    Lugar is a good man and in the right job - say Secretary of State - he could still render good service. But he does not wake up every morning thinking of ways to fight against overgrown government. In that respect, he's lost contact with the voters of Indiana.
     
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    To Taxcutter: Lugar never saw a UN treaty he did not embrace. He worked with that other UN stooge, then-Senator Biden, to get the Law of the Sea Treaty ratified. Luckily they failed.

    Lugar was also one of the 8 RINO who voted with the Democrats to ratify the New START Treaty with Russia. A treaty that gave nothing to America —— while it benefitted Communist China as much as it did Russia —— would not have been ratified without those 8 votes. Note that every Democrat voted to ratify.

    I don’t know if you are simply misguided in you assessment of Lugar, but I find it interesting that you suggest Lugar for Secretary of State at the same there is serious talk about Biden switching jobs with Clinton. The latest talk comes from Bill Clinton’s Mighty Midget:


    “My political prediction for 2012 (based on absolutely no inside information): Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden swap places. Biden becomes Secretary of State — a position he’s apparently coveted for years. And Hillary Clinton, Vice President.”

    Robert Reich Predicts Hillary Clinton Will Replace Biden as VP on 2012 Obama Reelection Ticket

    http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/12/29...-biden-as-vp-on-2012-obama-reelection-ticket/

    OP CORRECTION: Lugar has been in Senate 36 years; he wants to make it 42.
     
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    Don't worry about Lugar. The Indiana Tea Party will send him into retirement, then run Donnelley out of politics.
     

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