Nike unveils new ad featuring Colin Kaepernick

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am involved with my local city counsel and police. Our cops wear body cams and are accountable for their actions. This was achieved without dividing races. I respect law enforcement and know that the few bad ones do not represent the whole. Treating all LEOs as if they are the same is the kind of thing racists do. Could you imagine someone wearing socks depicting black people in a bad light?
     
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    Are you to stupid or lazy to come up with an argument that isn't a strawman? Or do you like Mac hilariously not know what a strawman is?
     
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    Yep.
     
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    And soon as the photo’s surfaced of CK wearing pig socks, any illusion that he was not anti police went out the window. Yet he's he's still being held up as some kind of hero. Unbelievable.
     
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    Trump's attempt to exploit a marketing ploy in pandering to his base for political purposes undoubtedly succeeded with that niche market, but Nikes's corporate strategy was far more successful.
    Nike's customers are not Trump's market, and by playing into Nike's plan to evoke controversy, the hapless pawn has helped immeasurably to increase their sales:
    Trump may have been in his accustomed vindictive mood for the NFL that had once rejected him as an owner, and pretended that it was becoming as unpopular as he is, and as a consequence of his fixation, some players genuflecting during pre-game hoopla. His fake claim is not supported by empirical evidence.
    Bottom Line as of now (Yogi Berra was once asked, "Hey, Yogi, what time is it?" Yogi replied "You mean like now?"):
    • Nike's sales are up.

    • The NFL is holding its own in attendance, maintaining its share amidst a general slump in television viewership.

    • Trump's approval numbers stink even more than before his fake tantrum over pre-game posture.


    Meanwhile, some grumpy, barefoot folks are sore after giving themselves a hotfoot for no reason.

     
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    Armando Salguero wrote a piece on his interview with CK in which he (accurately) describes him:
    Unrepentant hypocrite Colin Kaepernick defends Fidel Castro:
    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html

    A brief exerpt:

    "My exchange with Kaepernick ended there, after about three minutes, because I was stunned how someone so outspoken about his beliefs could be so ignorant to facts not up for debate. I suppose he thinks he made salient points in our back and forth.

    All he did was expose himself as a fraud.

    So wear your Malcolm X shirt that features Fidel Castro, Colin Kaepernick. Wear it around a town where hundreds of thousands of Cuban exiles live with memories similar to mine. Wear it on the field Sunday during pregame if you’re so proud of it.

    Show everyone what an unrepentant hypocrite you are."

    The guy was right. And CK just further proved it when he sold his "outrage over Black Injustice" to Nike to peddle clothes.

    That very point was recently explored in an interesting piece I read in the Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...risky-business-of-branding-black-pain/570025/

    "The background of Kaepernick’s image against the foreground of Nike’s copy, slogan, and logo are meant to compel audiences to believe that individual determination, in the context of social resistance, can overcome all odds, and that membership in this movement can be procured with the purchase of Nike shoes and apparel. This narrative of independent perseverance as a solution for toppling odds stacked against those who are disenfranchised not only fails to achieve the reform for which Kaepernick is pushing, it also undermines it.

    For one, consumers are to believe that this Nike nation is helmed by a business that can act as human beings have throughout history to change injustices. Nike’s brand identity angles toward rebellion, but there is no actuality to that in its corporate structure, which comprises the same basic anatomy of its Fortune 500 peers. Publicly traded entities, as many seem to have forgotten in their rush to applaud Nike, have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders and cannot by law perform the selfless sacrifices that are capitalized upon in this campaign.

    Secondly, the reductive commodification of Kaepernick’s political track record to an ad spot about personal will
    sabotages his message of withholding his national allegiance in the face of glaring racial disparities. Through his already established, authentic image that embodies pro-black politics and aspirational masculinity, viewers are invited into a myth that the end of structural racism can be brought about by essentially the same perseverance required to master a kick flip on a skateboard. In this seductive appeal to a doggedly American sense of individuality, social change is only a matter of marginalized people sticking it out. Those who benefit collectively from the subjugation of others are not required to give up anything, least of all their fly new sneakers.
     
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    It wasn't a marketing ploy for Trump. It WAS a marketing ploy for Nike and Kaeperneck. You seem to praise their monetary success. Nothing like exploiting the SJWs cause for financial gain.
     
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    Trump pandering to his base worked for him.

    Nike's capitalist objective of selling its products worked for it.

    I "praise" neither
     
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    Update.

     
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    Some who are out of touch with Americans do not grasp their admiration for respectful dissent to draw attention to social injustices.

    Of course, for Nike, it is an amoral calculus to increase sales, the capitalistic imperative.

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    “Just like the NFL, whose ratings have gone WAY DOWN,
    Nike is getting absolutely killed with anger and boycotts!”
    Nike’s market value has surged by nearly $6 billion since the company unveiled Kaepernick.


     
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    The news reports show that cops are thugs. Google it.
     
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    So it was fair when whites had the unfair advantage?
     
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    It was, of course.
     
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    Sorry I just can't take you seriously when you post stuff like this.
     
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    They may be thugs but STILL, more white people are shot by cops than black people. More Blacks are shot by black cops than white cops. Colins protest is absurd.
     
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    I'd like to sample what anyone who thought the NFL and Nike would fall spectacularly, were eating in case it was laced.
     
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    When did CK say it was only white cops who were killing black people? How many whites shot by cops were unarmed and following instructions?

    Genius move by Nike, no matter what you think about them. All those reactionary twits who bought brand new Nike shoes just so they could burn them on camera are looking really dumb right now.
     
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    No one claimed he did. The point is that it isn't racial discrimination or the Nation "oppressing people of color". Blacks are more frequently involved in violent crime and therefore more likely to have encounters with the police. The disparity among blacks as victims of police shootings has as much to do with racism as the disparity among males as victims of police shootings has to do with sexism. Nothing whatsoever. Police are not sexist against males and they are not racist against blacks.
     
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    So they are just scared of them, then? Why else shoot someone you know is unarmed and is following instructions?

    btw, including gang violence in statistics about "black violence" misses the point about poverty, racial red-lining, and the motivations of people who kill others.
     
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    Uh, you certainly alluded to it as shown above. Or are you walking back your comments now and are willing to admit cops, in general, regardless of their own race, are more likely to shoot an unarmed black person than an unarmed white person?
     
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    No.

    For the exact same reason they do when the person is white.
     
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    Nope, just stating a fact that evidently you would prefer I did not.


    Actually, they shoot more whites than they do blacks.
     
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    would that be the same sweat shops that make your computer and the same corps that make your phone using blood minerals?
    p.s all i see now are ppl wearing nikes, it looks like the ad campaign has really united the ppl to how oppressive the u.s government is and how racist the national anthem is too.
     
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    "Just like the NFL, whose ratings have gone WAY DOWN,
    Nike is getting absolutely killed with anger and boycotts!"
     

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