Nikki Haley: Biden 'destroyed' everything we've done in Afghanistan

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats wanted to be in charge of Afghanistan.
    Well?

    Why did Biden lie and claim the Taliban could not win?
    Why isn't the media harping on the Biden lie?
     
  2. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Where are you getting these figures? I guess Bush had a 'freeze button' on casualties sitting in a drawer under his desk that Obama Trump and Biden never saw.
    We have spent between 887 Billion and 2.26 trillion on this war including the costs of borrowing and veterans medical and other benefits with 775 US service members deployed, 20,666 US military wounded, 2,312 deaths, approximately 240,ooo total direct deaths, 47,245 civilian casualties, 480 humanitarian workers, 74 journalists, and 3.5 million refugees internally displaced. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/benking/the-afghan-war-by-the-numbers

    And you want that devastation to continue ad infinitum so we don't have to say somebody other than us won a war? We could still be in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia racking up numbers while we are at it waiting for all that 'peace with honor'

    We should never have landed a pair of boots.

    You must love the smell of napalm in the morning.
     
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    And apparently a die hard Trumper to boot.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And all this time Biden had you all fooled thinking he is the president.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you don't think Trump's deal with the Taliban played a role in what is happening in the Middle East today
     
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  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My figures came from Wikipedia. Bush had a button? That Obama could not locate? Check to see how Obama went wild ramping up the war. His side kick Biden does not know how to win.
     
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    Afghanistan is but one battle in the War on Terror. And it is a war, ever since the UN gave the PLO observer status as a reward for their despicable acts of violence. What we have here is a group of people (including state actors) willing to attack us when they disagree with a particular policy they don't like (such as housing tens of thousands of US troops in The Land of the Two Holy Mosques for a decade). But it goes beyond policy to attacks on our way of life (Charlie Hebdo). It's most definitely a war, that began long ago. Sadly, I think we will see that the next time these people coalesce over an issue they don't like, and slaughter an Olympic team, blow up some transport vehicles, or knock down some buildings...
     
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    the only winning move... is not to play

    time to bring our soldiers home
     
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    Nobody wins a guerrilla war against a determined native population of insurgents with plenty of places to hide, not Kennedy, not Johnson, not Nixon, not Ford, not Bush, not Obama, not Trump and Biden had the brains to figure this out.
     
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    In what way do you suppose she "forgot" about the deal Biden trashed? You seem to have an enormous problem admitting your king did anything at all. Biden owns the deaths, the mayhem, and all the atrocities his uncaring cold heart forced on these folks. And you're still clapping.
     
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    Bush did. Bush did it by paying, arming and urging the natives of Afghanistan to remove their oppressors. They did it very fast.
     
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    The only winning move for whom? The folks that are now going to get hunted down and killed? The folks who will be subjugated back into the stone age? You have a remarkable sense of winning.
     
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    did you want us to stay there forever?

    I do not support the things you mention, I do not support many things happening in many countries, doesn't mean I want to occupy them forever

    do you agree with what is happening in North Korea? Should we occupy it for 20 years next?
     
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    Except he didn't. That's why he had to keep those troops in there. They were in there, because without their presence, the Taliban would have gained strength, just as they Did.
     
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    Except that is a lie, Robert. He declared the war was basically over, just as he did in Iraq, when it wasn't. That's why Bush did not evacuate all the fighting troops.
     
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    Trump is still the president, don't you remember?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know for a fact that Franks used the natives of Afghanistan in the ground combat. And it worked. Franks had 1000 American men. Seriously do you think 1000 spotters is all it took to beat the Taliban? Biden should not have used a thing from Trump but used the lessons learned from Bush.
     
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    It is not a lie. Franks requested from Bush a message that the mission was over. So it was placed on the Aircraft carrier as Bush mentioned. We had no way to evacuate all the Afghanis used to defeat the Taliban. They wanted to keep living in the area they won.
    Again the message on the ship came when we beat Saddam.
     
  19. Robert

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    Imagine how many Americans support the Taliban? It is awful.
     
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    Biden and his cult will keep blaming Trump and excusing Biden.
     
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    Yes, I am right. All you Trump sycophants have nothing at all to add to this discussion, just , “Biden bad”. There is an old saying about hindsight being 20-20. Hindsight and partisan politics is a wonderful combination.
     
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    The President and his team are doing a great job unwinding this 20 year clusterf*ck started by Cheney/Bush.
     
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    If the troops are still there fighting and dying in Afghanistan, then the war is by definition, not over! Bush did not win that war, or the troops would be home and the casualties, the destruction etc would not have continued to rise for the next 15 years. Obama, Trump and Biden would not have had to keep fighting, had Bush won the war.
     
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  24. Robert

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    Reporters claim that in Afghanistan there have been 20 wars as opposed to one single war.
    I agree.

    I told you again, Afghanis won their war when Bush was president.
     
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    Why blame Cheney? Why not blame the 9/11 attackers? Cheney listened to the plans. Actually I keep bringing up the correct General and the plans but those were created by his very gifted staff of lower ranking officers. Franks gives them all full credit.
     

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