No evidence that Russia hacked Hillary campaign

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The general consensus presented in the media is that it's proven fact Russia hacked the Hillary campaign. If you have the evidence here is your time to enlighten me. Even the most left wing media source in the country says there's no evidence though so good luck. Speak now or forever ****. Hold your peace I mean. LOL

    "Russiagate Is More Fiction Than Fact
    From accusations of Trump campaign collusion to Russian Facebook ad buys, the media has substituted hype for evidence."

    "A recent front-page New York Times articlelinking Russian cyber operations to voting irregularities across the United States is headlined, “Russian Election Hacking Efforts, Wider Than Previously Known, Draw Little Scrutiny.” But read on and you’ll discover that there is no evidence of “Russian election hacking,” only evidence-free accusations of it"

    https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-is-more-fiction-than-fact/
     
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    The "Russia hacked the election" lie is nothing more then a dnc/Hillary excuse to their donors for a 1.2 billion dollar campaign loss. Only total fools and Russian trolls believe it. They literally believe putin so smart he cost Hillary her Landslide Victory with a handful of Facebook ads, runs the world and Trump is his puppet.

    The Russia Truthers think very highly of Putin for some reason. They even think giving him access to America's uranium even though he killed people with uranium is somehow in America's interest.

    Putin is a guy leftist like to get flexible with.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So it's been a full day now and no Democrats trying to hang Russian collusion charges around Trump's neck have responded. I guess that's that.
     
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    It’s possible that no one is responding because it is sheer idiocy to believe the lying Trump over every one of our intelligence agencies. We will wait for Mueller, unlike flapping conservatives, as far as the collusion goes.
     
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    Wait? It seems your media partners, and your rubes in D.C., didn't get your memo.
     
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    Are you whining about Mueller’s investigation closing in on the Oval Office? Are you afraid of what he will find?
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To have a conspiracy with Russia in dissemination of hacked emails it first must be proven that Russia did indeed hack Hillary campaign emails. There is no evidence of this, there is only speculation so the collusion investigation is based on a premise for which there is no evidence. If you have some evidence that I missed now is your time to present it. What ya got?
     
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    I think he's saying the media is reporting on facts that don't exist and that they hope Mueller finds.
     
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    You should contact the FBI. Have fun believing Trump.
     
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    Like what?
     
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    I don't think trump deals in Rubles so I guess it must have been his buddy Putin who paid for the ads on facebook. Any other responses you're looking for.
     
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    Like the OP stated. They report Russian hacking as fact but present no evidence and as a rule after a lengthy article espousing Russian hacking the butt a one line disclaimer at the end of the article in fine print. "No evidence of this".
     
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    So, you're saying it was that 400 pound kid sitting on his bed in N.J. Don talked about who was responsible for obtaining the hacked info?
     
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    Adds on Facebook are not hacking Russian emails but if you read the link in the OP you might learn a little about that charge too. Again no real evidence and they use the words "appear" and "likely"to come from Russia.

    "Then there is Facebook’s disclosure that fake accounts “likely operated out of Russia” paid $100,000 for 3,000 ads starting in June 2015. The New York Times editorial board described it as “further evidence of what amounted to unprecedented foreign invasion of American democracy.” A $100,000 Facebook ad buy seems unlikely to have had much impact in a $6.8 billion election. According to Facebook, “the vast majority of ads…didn’t specifically reference the US presidential election, voting or a particular candidate” but rather focused “on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum—touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.” Facebook also says the majority of ads, 56 percent, were seen “after the election.” The ads have not been released publicly. But by all indications, if they were used to try to elect Trump, their sponsors took a very curious route.

    The ads are commonly described as “Russian disinformation,” but in the most extensive reporting on the story to date, The Washington Post adds multiple qualifiers in noting that the ads “appear to have come from accounts associated with the Internet Research Agency,”
     
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    Julian says it was an inside the campaign leak
     
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    Anyone else? This is fun!
     
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    Sell your memes elsewhere Beth. Not everyone is in your bubble.

    Evidence of collusion, deceit, and illegal activity is raining down on the get Trump parade.

    You should be afraid of that.
     
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    The hacking of state and local election databases in 2016 was more extensive than previously reported, including at least one successful attempt to alter voter information, and the theft of thousands of voter records that contain private information like partial Social Security numbers, current and former officials tell TIME.

    In one case, investigators found there had been a manipulation of voter data in a county database but the alterations were discovered and rectified, two sources familiar with the matter tell TIME. Investigators have not identified whether the hackers in that case were Russian agents.

    The fact that private data was stolen from states is separately providing investigators a previously unreported line of inquiry in the probes into Russian attempts to influence the election. In Illinois, more than 90% of the nearly 90,000 records stolen by Russian state actors contained drivers license numbers, and a quarter contained the last four digits of voters’ Social Security numbers, according to Ken Menzel, the General Counsel of the State Board of Elections.
     
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    I wish it was fun, but instead it's scary. It seems all you folks need to confirm your bias is some nutjob conspiracy theorist to write an article and it's off to the races. You're like the folks who don't believe we sent a man to the moon.
     
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    "Unnamed sources tell Time" LOL
     
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    What memes?
     
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    Unnamed sources are not anonymous.
     

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