https://thefederalist.com/2023/04/04/no-one-is-above-the-law-give-me-a-break/ I notice now that the hangover is mellowing, coverage is changing from breathless to "Well, if they are going to just push this along quietly a foot at a time, this is going to get boring really quick." In fact, talking heads are starting to go back into the history of lying, cheating, congress ignoring, politicians of the past. People on both sides are nervous of unintended consequences wondering "What red state DA will be first to jump the shark?" The best outcome is for the judge that gets the case to just dismiss it out of hand with prejudice. Since Alvin Bragg is black, he is safe from disbarment. If you are going to go after a president former or current, you need a real serious crime we can all agree on. Like for incumbents national security issues, for ex'es a real crime we can all agree on is "pretty damn bad". Not trying to find Trump's finger prints on and accounting gimmick. Too much in the weeds. No victim. No blood. No nuttin'.
The real crime to go after Trump for has always been his blatant attempt to alter the election results in Georgia. That's pretty much open and shut. It's disappointing that this petty NY stuff is the first to drop. It's going to undoubtedly make it harder to get him on the more serious stuff, where his guilt is far more clear without nuance.
Nothing in the call to Raffensperger specifically declared that Trump was asking him to break the law by manufacturing votes. Trump believed that there was voter fraud (evident from the part of the conversation over dead people voting). He believed that if Raffensperger just took a closer look at all the irregularities he would find the votes (by removing fraudulent votes) from the system giving him the victory. That's the way I read the call.
Yeah yeah yeah, we've all heard the attempts to downplay what was occurring. And we all know exactly what Trump was doing. Don't even for a second give me that line about Trump believing there was voter fraud, you know that's 100% nonsense. Pretending to believe it to the media is not the same thing as actually believing it, especially when Trump knew it was fake BECAUSE HE MADE IT UP. I've seen your posts here, I know you're not a Trump true believer, but I suspect like some that you'd still rather defend him out of fear of what the Democrats might put or keep in office. You're one of the "I don't really like him but I like his policies" folks. I get it, I do. The Democrats have nothing to offer right now and our current president is a turd. Just don't let all that turn you into a liar.
I think you honestly believe this will be the outcome if I don't accept your viewpoint, but your belief only highlights the nature of beliefs - you're not engaging in spouting lies when you believe something, even if what you believe is a lie, itself. In order to be a liar you must know what you're saying isn't true. So, please, despite your sincere belief, don't insult my intelligence by issuing asinine warnings. Now, as to the rest of your beliefs expressed here. Yes, I'm fully aware that they are what you sincerely believe, and thus I can't issue you the same admonition you've issued me. Beliefs are a funny thing -- even when the facts are right in front of your face there's a resistance to accepting them. Your beliefs are something you're invested in. The point is is that I've been at this game long enough to know that I won't likely change your viewpoint no matter how many "facts" I throw into your face. I can respect your opinion, but that doesn't come with the obligation to agree with it. Please try to understand this, so as to avoid making foolish warnings. I have no fear of what the democrats will do regarding elections. I have simply opinions. I don't defend a person, I defend principles. Lady Justice wears blindfolds for a reason. It's so it's not the person she looks at, but rather the law and it being equally applied despite the person standing in front of her. Trump has been vilified by democrats ever since he first announced his candidacy in 2015. They've plotted against him and lied in order to "get" him and by that I mean they see him as a threat to their obsession with power and desperately need to remove that threat at any cost -- the end justifies the means. It's that mindset that I defend against. The end never justifies the means. We live in a Nation where our elections determine who will represent the citizens of it. Democrats don't trust free elections where the people get to decide. If Trump, or Biden deserves to be POTUS that's the PEOPLE's decision, not the politicians, by way of absurd legal maneuvers to eliminate their opponents. If we allow this bullshit to succeed our democracy surely will be lost.
That is my point. You know better. You know darn well that Trump didn't believe this was real. So at some point, if you get too zealous about defending Trump, you're going to turn yourself into a liar. I did not insult your intelligence, I warned you not to do it to yourself. Come on now guy, this is such a tired equine corpse. The amount of times this gets repeated by people trying to defend Trump is just exhausting. Yes, in situations where the person actually believes the narrative you can't accuse them of lying. Were that this situation, I would agree with you. But that is not and has never at any point been what is happening here. What you're telling me is like if I told you that Jussie Smollett wasn't a liar because we don't know that he doesn't believe he was the victim of a racially motivated crime. Except we DO know he doesn't because he invented the entire situation. Just like Trump. I could never insult your intelligence more than you do so yourself by trying to push this silly narrative.
Ok. I have nothing more to say to you since it would be a repeat of responding to the same tripe. Enjoy the rest of your day.
From what I read, this is the weakest of all the cases that could be brought against Trump. Getting him on an accounting gimmick. But then again, it was the IRS that sent Capone to jail. The point that many folks are above the law is valid. Any PFC, SP4, SGT etc. getting caught with classified material on an unsecure, unclassified computer or server would have been immediately stripped of his security clearance and probably sent to Leavenworth when all was said and done. Especially when dealing with 28 Top Secret, SCI, SAP messages. I’m not sure I would have pushed this one, but one must start somewhere. Trump still has his rape trial later this month, the Georgia election interference case, the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the DOJ 1-6 case, all pending. All much more valid in my opinion. But it is what it is. But this mantra of no one is above the law is nothing more than political propaganda rhetoric. As the OP pointed out, many have broken the law and not been charged. Perhaps the correct mantra is no little people are above the law, the wealthy or political connected, for the most part are.
I can agree to that. Once in awhile, though, they have to have a sacrificial goat to make it appear that even the big guys aren't above the law.
Without a crime scene you have nothing for the media to show the public. The problem is the slow running judicial clock metes out its own punishment. I hear the Chipmunk wants the first hearing right before the first prez primary Jan 24. Talk about “equity”. LOL. Election interference, much?
Your comments reflect your own partisan belief that Trump should never be charged with any crimes. Its a little late for that. Your pronouncement that he has not committed a "serious" crime means what, he can commit "non serious" crimes? Is that your standard of criminal guilt now...whether you consider a crime serious or not? What accounting gimmick. Is that how you excuse what Trump did with charitable donations that he had to pay $2 million on for violating charity laws? Its a gimmick? You think its a gimmick to shut someone he had sex up with, he pays the money to his lawyer who then pays it to her, and since that was an indirect payment it doesn't mean he represented what the payment was for and the lawyer goes to jail but not Trump. His tax evasion that his executives were convicted of were engaging in accounting gimmicks? Violating tax reporting and undervaluing income to avoid tax is a gimmick? Trump can do whatever he wants and you call it a gimmick? In the real world he and you and I are supposed to follow certain laws. The fact he was President does not mean his behaviour suddenly becomes a gimmick above the laws. You defend someone who was elected to UPHOLD laws not make speeches stating everyone is a criminal so why should he be any different. Good God man wake up from your worshipping Trump. He just finished attacking a Judge and DA personally and repeating lie after lie. You and I would have been charged with contempt and probably placed in jail for what he said. Trump is undermining the legal system and personally attacking the DA and Judge and he claims to be politically persecuted while doing this? You want to trivialize what he does as a "gimmick"? https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/04/politics/donald-trump-arraignment-speech-fact-check/index.html https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/04/trumps-tedious-banquet-of-lies-and-self-pity/ https://www.thebulwark.com/in-his-post-arraignment-speech-trump-piles-on-more-lies/ https://democrats.org/news/icymi-trump-dropped-a-whopping-23-lies-in-cpac-speech/ Get real man. Trump's lies and ravings no longer work. Each time he opens his mouth he shows his intent and belief that he is ABOVE any law and has contempt and will personally attack anyone who challenges him. His inability to follow laws is coming to a head. He can stall the current indictment with some motions but the reason the DA was so careful in preparing this case was to anticipate each and every motion. His goal is to try extend as many motions as he can so that the trial can not be finished before the next election. If he is convicted of what you call a "serious crime" he can't run. Of course for someone like you having Trump criminally convicted only will make him more of a hero figure for you. You no doubt with all Trumpets will continue to engage in whataboutisms and trivialize his litany of behaviour and ignore all the people who have gone to jail working for him. Oh its all coincidence. His former lawyer who paid the money that was depicted as a retainer to that lawyer was sent to jail for doing just that. You think Trump is not responsible for the payment that put that lawyer in jail. You think its a gimmick and all Donny says is it was a retainer. I had no idea the lawyer paid Stormy the exact same money I paid him as a retainer? No idea? Of course you think its a joke. Its a joke he evades taxes...everyone does it. Its a joke he avoided military service...everyone has bone spurs. Who Donald be moral? Oh come on everyone is dishonest and so he can be. That is the world you live in. A world where you make excuses for Donny. Guess what. You live in a world where other Americans do NOT. You assume they will remain silent next election and vote him back in as a hero. If he lives that long he will cause an internal division in the GOP. Eventually he will split into a third party. The remaining GOP votes may be diluted enough to get a Democrat win. At this point I would bet Biden is not going to be healthy enough to win and there is a back up plan to go with someone no one expects. It certainly won't be vaccine denier Joe Kennedy who just announced his candidacy. Someone no one expects just like where Obama came from, will get called upon if the party does not tell everyone to go with Harris. Either way to run Trump now as the GOP candidate is suicide. His deranged messages no longer work. No one is listening to him on twitter or on Social Justice. He's blown his wad. His rants no longer work for anyone but the same old Trumpets. Run along now and play the Trumpet. Have a nice day and toot toot. p.s. the nonsensical racist comment about Bragg really made you credible-racist comments really make you sound valid and genuine.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/bragg...fusing-disclose-underlying-crime-legal-expert This protects you, too.
If Bragg was consistent he would simply reduce all Trump's crimes to misdemeanors and refuse to prosecute the cases. But everyone, other than Trump, is above the law. With appeals, I doubt Trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell. I'm not even sure the democrat's necessarily want that -- just the fact that he's been arrested is enough for them to campaign on. They believe that just that alone is sufficient to sway the voters away from Trump. They might be right, if the Republicans can't persuade them that this nothing more than election interference.
Debs was right about his right to resist World War I against the arrogant statist, Progressive Woodrow Wilson. He was a socialist and dead wrong about the economy. Interestingly, Republican Warren G. Harding pardoned him.
You are right. No one is above the law , yet Trump Administration, Trump’s DOJ , Trump’s FBI didn’t prosecute Hilary Clinton, James Clapper, John Brennan. It’s not Democrat’s fault that Trump’s hand picked AG; Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr was sleeping on the wheel and didn’t bring any of these people to face their crime. What an incompetent bunch of people; Trump Jeff Session, Bill Bar.
The president doesn't tell the DoJ who to prosecute. They may suggest, but not order. The DoJ and its various sub groups are supposed to be above politics. That is police state stuff.
Yet, every time Trump went to public he chanted “ Lock her up , lock her up”. Ok Trump didn’t call DOJ and said “ lock these people up “ ( he said it in public and twitter) but why was DOJ and FBI sat on their hand during Trump administration? Did Bill Bar or Jeff Session thought Clapper or Brennan or Clinton above the law?
