No, Trump is not Hitler

The bank had a duty to do due diligence and they accepted the appraisals. No one has been convicted of a similar crime and I am sure that Trump is not the only one who might have inflated the value of the collateral.

 

Not at all. Your other examples had negative impacts. This one did not.

 

Several other people have been convicted of similar crimes, and there is no criminal conviction here. Your desire to make the illegal legal isn't going to work. Your boy ****ed up.

 

Show me one where no one lost any income.

 

Trump obviously isn’t Hitler. He doesn’t have the mustache. His last name is different, too.

I mean, obviously his fear mongering tactics and temperament are the identical to Hitler. But that doesn’t make him Hitler.

 

What? Show me a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat. What the **** are you talking about? Your "show me" has absolutely nothing to do with the statement you quoted. Would you like to try for an actual response?

 

No, that was not the standard in the OP. And you have given a classic textbook strawman

Congratulations!

 

I stated several times in the OP, not to mention the title of the thread, that I wasn't saying he was Hitler. How many more times do I have to say it?

 

You claimed similar circumstances. No one losing money is similar circumstances.

 

I see you've never heard of disgorgement. Having to pay back your ill-gotten gains when you gain them through illegal activity is commonplace, regardless of whether or not anyone else lost money. And, yes, other people lost money. Banks got lower interest rates and banks only have so much money to lend. When Trump lies to get more money, that impacts other people.

Even if that were the case, you are living in a world in which it is legal to drive drunk as long as you don't hit anyone and legal to shoot at someone as long as you miss. No victims, no crime! But the problem here is the RISK, which is the same when it comes to this kind of fraud. Not to mention, again, the ill-gotten gains. If you steal $10,000 from a bank, play the slots in Vegas, come out ahead by over a million dollars, and give the bank back $15,000, you do realize that the courts can take your winnings . . . even though the bank came out ahead . . . right? Please tell me you understand this.

 

Hitler wasn't elected by a majority. He was elected by a minority. Hitler's rise to power in Germany was a complex process involving legal and political maneuvers. Initially, the Nazi Party, led by Hitler, did not win a majority in the elections. However, through a series of strategic alliances and political appointments, Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1933. Subsequently, the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act were pivotal in consolidating his power. These laws allowed him to bypass the Reichstag (parliament), enabling him to enact laws without parliamentary consent, effectively dismantling the democratic Weimar Republic and establishing a dictatorship.

 

Please provide where similar charges were filed where no one lost money.

 

Please try actually reading posts and genuinely responding. Or keep pretending that it is legal to profit illegally. That part remains funny.

 

The point is that similar charges have never been filed when nobody lost money. I know you do not want to admit it, but they wanted to find something Trump did something illegal, so they could charge him for it and fine him an outrageous amount of money..

 

I'd love to see proof of your claim. So far you have failed. Just as you've failed to prove that it is legal to profit illegally. And the "outrageous amount of money" IS THE ILL-GOTTEN GAINS. When you ILLEGALLY obtain an outrageous amount of money, then you have to pay that outrageous amount of money back. Only the most dishonest or uninformed people claim that this is somehow cruel and unusual.

 

It's not just the bank applications, he turns around, on the same property, and grossly undervalues it for taxes.

And there, is the problem you are not acknowledging.

He is cheating the state, what he is doing is wrong, and he must be punished.

His applications are fraudulent, and that's against the law. the law allows for a 'range' calculation, but not to the egregious degrees he made.

 

The premise of your question is that 'paying back the loans exonerates the crime'. That premise if false in that it doesn't exonerate the crime.

If you rob a bank, and you return the money, you are still guilty of robbery. The fact you paid it back might factor in your sentence, however.

 

It is impossible that such cases do not exist. You are failing to prove that any do exist out of those many thousands of times that law was used.

That is the basis of my whole argument. The act itself was not automatically fraud. Real estate people frequently over value their property, either intentionally or unintentionally. Generally the bank does an independent appraisal and then either approves the loan or disapproves it. The bank was satisfied at the time and in effect agreed with the appraisals and approved the loan.

In spite of this well established process, the prosecutor figured that this was the way to get Trump. The fact that no one can come up with a similar case, proves that they were solely out to get Trump.

 

He has not been charged in this separate event.

 

Bit that "contract" was based on false information from Trump. Were Trump's numbers scrutinized sufficiently so that what he did could have been revealed at the time. IF the banks KNEW the data was false.(inflated).......then something is really wrong with the bank too.

 

If Trump had made a mistake .....it would be one thing. But he did all that INTENTIONALLY.......to benefit HIM financially.

Trump's defenders are looking for every angle they can to absolve him from his crimes. They don't acept that the law applies to him too. They blame the legal system , while condoning HIS criminal conduct.
That is a very bad sign of where a segment of the society is now. They ant to define laws according to their terms and to favor who they want.
Reality does not work that way. Trump is deceitful to his core and they don't see it , and spin it to fit their collective mindset. They seem prepared to tear down the legal system to favor their "boy" and refuse to admit that they are being conned. .

 

Or possibly, the bank did not believe the numbers were inflated. But you are right, the bank is just as guilty as Trump.

 

No....did not say the banks were guilty. They were probably duped. The problem would have been different if the banks KNEW he was being deceitful and went along with it anyhow. I would have to have evidence of them KNOWING he was deceitful at the time of the transaction. So far I have not heard, read or seen any. either way, two wrongs don't make a right .

 

The banks have the capability to do their own appraisals. They do it frequently. They are in New York City. They deal in such transactions frequently.

However, regardless of how you twist and turn, the banks have said they would be happy to do it again.

 

I think the sarcasm in my post went over your head.