No Veto: UN Security Council Adopts Anti-settlement Resolution; U.S. Abstains PART 2

We disagree.
Black people, similar to Palestinian people fail to maintain the quality of their property.
That is not externally applied.
It the case of the Palestinian, they have demonstrated an inability to administer the lands they have dominion.
This not only includes maintaining the peace but, creating an economy. Industry. Agriculture.
Their performance over decades has been a giant failure via their own leadership who pocket the money promising the payer to maintain their proxy war with Palestinian blood.


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You're killing me moon... killing me

 

Just straightening you out.
You're not a stupid person, Dutch- you see the wisdom of my position and it appeals to you. I'll continue to play your game though.

Yes, temporary president Trump. Isn't that his title ?

 

Playing your game, yes - all presidents are temporary. Continuing with your game, we all too are temporary. So whats your point?

 

My point is to convince you that you are wasting your own temporary span by indulging yourself in support for the temporary neoZionist fascist regime and temporary president Trump's growing catalogue of ' alternative facts '.

Of course, all presidents are temporary, as you say, so I'll continue to refer to the latest one as temporary president Trump ( unless he passes a law against it )

That's my idea of what politics is for- to convince everybody that both they and their time are too precious to waste on ' alternative facts ' and other lost causes.
What do you think politics is for ?

 

So then- so far up Zionism's ass are certain US politicians that they would indeed cut off YOUR nose to spite your face.
No doubt there will be extensive discussions with their Israeli masters before any decision is taken.

Resolution 2334 was certainly a game-changer.

 

Well, well- Obama and Trump- two cheeks of the same ass.

 

Then why are your masters the ones sweating ?

 

Three al-Qaida suspects....the horror.....

Just think they might have a British citizenship and should have been subpoenaed to british court

 

Suspects ? Israelis murder ' suspects '. It's not a trait I want associated with the U.S.

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Do you really think that Israel could remain in the United Nations if the U.S. pulled out ?

Israel DEPENDS upon the UN for its very existence.

 

TBH the rate at which they are intending on going against International I was thinking the UN would have no alternative but to throw them out.

 

Could ? yea why not? but it probebly would have pulled as well, but that's RT news.....

How so ? will the might of Arab world destroy Israel if its UN is destroyed or turns on it ?

 

This exchange is a good illustration of the effect ot bias.

Of course Palestinians will hate Trump who has unambiguously sided with Israel. (I think even Netanyahu has whispered to Trump to hold off on the embassy move to Jerusalem, for the present).

Now if Trump would enable UN settlement of the conflict, Palestinians would have a different view of Trump.

Interestingly during the campaign Trump was ridiculed for claiming Muslims and Palestinians rejoiced on 9/11. Ofcourse Trump was correct, but he too failed to recognise the relation between cause and effect.

 

Like most of the dysfunctionals who live in this part of the world these people seem to believe that burning effigies of the new President will assist in their negotiations with the US, Israel, and other enlightened areas of the word. An updated educational system is essential for these poor people or they'll be forced to live out their lives in poverty and ignorance for generations to come.

 

You put great store in a bit of effigy burning, eh ? Well these ought to confuse you;

 

In fact, had you read the post more closely, you'd understand I was pointing out the futility and counterproductivity of effigies. Do they really believe this will intimidate Donald Trump? Education is the key to a better life, not burning effigies.

 

Yes education is vital.

But blind self-interest remains a threat to the world, even among some apparently 'educated' people:

"The bill, proposed by Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL), entitled American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017, seeks a complete US withdrawal from the UN..."

Refusal to learn from history?

"Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe" HG Wells.

 

Yes, education is ital and you could have stopped there. Any ideas how these people can be educated rather than what's going on there now?

 

The more they gain power the narrower 'white' becomes.....Informed Comment had an article on that and that 'white' comes to mean those in power which will no doubt suit Trumps Billionaire Admin and the neo fascist Zionist Regime very much but not those uninformed wwc who believe by some magic he is going to change the future. I say magic because ask any of them and they have not a clue what he is going to do to make life better - may even include the oil rich states as well. Certainly we are going to see changes in this world which we have not seen since prior WW2. As another article correctly stated, the whole world will need to stand together with those American's opposing the tyranny Trumpettes and their Zionists buddies are intent on putting on the world.

 

You mean, how to overcome Palestinian hatred of Israel, and Trump in particular?

Ideally, quickly......

1. Create the palestinian state along lines of UN res 242 with Israel's security guaranteed by the UN (and the US, so long as the UNSC doesn't have the military power to enforce its rulings).

2. Begin the process of educating the palestinian population (especially youth) in an environment of stability, security, and full employment in a functioning economy.

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More realistically, slowly.....

but hang on, people with exclusionist, separatist world views like Rep. Mike Rogers are part of the problem, and they exist on both sides of the conflict.

So maybe to begin, can leaders of the three religions involved agree there is only one God, and that therefore the three books must (and can) only be regarded as partial and incomplete revelations of God?

Thereby throwing open all synagogues, churches and mosques as places of prayer for everyone, and rendering much of the ritual associated with each tradition obsolete?

Obviously I'm struggling to find a realistic course of action which would lead to Palestinian appreciation of Israel. Sorry about that.

Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe HG Wells.

 

You can join the forum for whatever reason you like. What you cannot do is have any credibility when you ignore facts which have been presented to you. Clearly you do not care about the truth of the situation. When you do not look at facts provided to you and continue to by one excuse or another just to continue presenting your propaganda, fine but it is easy for anyone to see that all you are presenting is propaganda and sadly that you have no interest in the truth.

oh I was showing you how all your propaganda was wrong and eventually came to my conclusions in post 73 at which time you decided, by your own admittance without reading anything about it, to lump Shlaim together with all the other Israeli historians who were able to look at the archives before the most damaging to the Israeli narrative were removed as being basically quislings to the liberal left.

You then claimed to see Morris in a different light. Having yourself argued throughout that it was just those genocidal arabs who committed massacres and talking about only one massacred committed by the Arabs, I thought this was a good place to give you a copy of his article where he speaks about the atrocities and massacres. He reports 12 committed by the Zionists and three by the Arabs - two of those committed by the arabs being in retaliation for those committed by the Zionists.

Not what you had being saying at all.

That article which Morris wrote came after he had looked at the archives which have now been closed. The Zionists committed 12 massacres. Around 500 villages were wiped off the map as you tried to change the history of Palestine in a very similar to the way ISIS likes to wipe out history.

You have been provided with information by several sources which show you that it was the Zionists who were attacking and clearing Arab towns and villages. Occasionally as reported they were responding in a bloody but futile way - having virtually no weapons. No this was a rout of Zionists massacring and ethnically cleansing the Arabs. A war which Ben Guiron knew he could win before it even began - a war he believed he could not only win over the partition given to the Jews but in the taking of the arab portion as well. Hence my argument was correct. The Zionists would not have started the war if they had thought they had any chance of loosing. Your talking of what would have happened to the Jews and the Mandate if the Arabs had won is just another appeal to Jewish victim hood to hide the atrocities committed by the Zionists. It was the Zionist who pushed the indigenous population into the sea at Jaffa. My how you turn things round to suit your propaganda

Now here we get back again to you not understanding the difference between facts, values and opinions.

The Zionists committed at least 12 massacres as they were ethnic cleansing the Palestinian arabs that is the fact. That Morris claims it is an ethnic war which it certainly was from the Zionists perspective- along with the massacres it was the ethnic expulsion of the Palestinians - a war crime and a crime against Humanity committed by the Zionists. So that is also a fact from the Zionists side.

The second part of what you mention that he did not blame the Zionists concerns his opinion based on his values. He believed it had to be done and he did not blame the Zionists. He even says in a later book he believed they should have ethnically cleansed all of the arabs. He believes in committing crimes against humanity. This reality does nothing to prove you were right in our initially argument which I have won over and over again.

and of course had the Zionists had not been involved in these massacres and ethnic cleansing there would have been no invasion of arab armies. Instead Jordan would have taken over the west bank as agreed 'for the time being' - that is until the Zionist felt they could take it for themselves as they did in 67.

 

Pretty much the rest of the world is against what the US is doing. Possibly with the exception of Russia and Theresa May - hence Britain for the time she is in government or until our intelligence starts doing it's work.

But hey, Israel now has two superpowers on its side so I am sure you are laughing. However lets be honest here, you are the ones sniffing up to Masters.

 

It wasn't at all difficult to plumb it in depth. You've commented upon a specific image which was always intended to vilify all Palestinians. You've had the effrontery to then suggest that this image- posted by a self-confessed neoZionist cheer-leader -indicates that Palestinians are ignorant . You then go on to suggest that Palestinians would benefit from your personal view of what education should be.
You then ignore photographs of Jews burning the Zionist emblem.

Any comment on the realities of Jews actually burning live Palestinians ?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...d-death-extremist-attack-150731035331224.html

Palestinian baby burned to death in settler attack


http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/t...enced-burning-palestinian-boy-death-584938177

Two Israeli teens sentenced for burning Palestinian boy to death

Not to mention the thousands actually attacked with white phosphorus by the rogue state you support;



Can estimate how much you personally contributed financially to the munitions used to murder Palestinians ? Does your ' education ' allow that calculation ?

Bear in mind that temporary president Trump contributes directly from his personal fortune. Is it better to \burn an effigy or to light a fire under temporary president Trump ?

 

No they said that the protest which this was a part of was simply a small indication of the results there would be to his policies of promoting the annexation of the majority of their land and declaring Jerusalem the undivided capital of Israel. The Palestinians are aware they are completely powerless. That does not mean, they and the entire Muslim World and indeed the entire world except the US, UK and possibly Russia will allow you to do what you intend. The US is likely to find itself more isolated than it ever could have imagined despite all of its power. Given that unless Trump becomes dictator he has at the absolute most 8 years it probably would be in Russia's interest to make a few changes and try and get Europe into her Eurasia Union especially if the EU falls apart with the possibly result that the US will gain it's Trump inspired nationalism but at the price of being for the foreseeable future politically on its own and hence politically impotent.

 

Temporary president Trump cannot be a War President and simultaneously commit to his boasts of helping all Americans. If he adds to the Middle East conflagrations that Israel has enabled then all Americans will suffer- with the possible exception of those creaming off the top of the profits of the military/industrial complex.