Non-Jews should not be allowed to live in Israel - Israel's Chief Rabbi

I know what is sarcasm, but thank you for your concern!

 

This thread could be commented with a giant ...

so what?

Israel is not a theocracy and the opinion of a religious leader counts nothing at institutional / legal level. Israel is not Iran or Saudi Arabia ...

 

I am not surprised. From the little I have seen of you talking about the UK, you know zilch. You do not even know who our main group of Muslims are to try to spread your hate. There are no no go zones in the UK and London is probably the least racist part of England.

Now there is a man called Anjem Chowdray who I think is currently in jail who used to organise the sort of protests you speak of. He had about 70 followers and in general the people of London managed to beat his attempt to create hatred of Muslims with a sense of humour which sent him packing. Now due to belief in his involvement in extremist activity as I said I think he is in jail.

There are some extremist Muslims in Britain though how many of them are Arab is another question. Most of the Muslim community however is not and there are no no go zones in the UK - such stories are just spread by those intent on spreading hatred against Muslims. Please leave out speaking about the UK till you have read something other than hate information as obviously people will not have much time for you if that is all you know.

 

I neveraid that all of the Muslims in the UK are like that, but yes there are alot of Muslims like that.

BTW- there is no kind of "racist". "Races" are a pseodo-scientific idea that was created by Chembarlain in the 19th century.

And youthink that by jailing Anjem Chowdray solved the problem? Imams in musques spread the same ideas.

I see, so the police in the Uk does not know what it is talking about? Rob from the Met Police doesnt know what he is talking about?

I "read something", and it was not "hate information", but if you say that the Daily Mail, Independent, The Sun, which are all British newsepers + remarks of the British police are all spreading hate and does not have any basis to what they are all talking about, then it's your problem.

 

No you don't know what you are talking about. Mind you if you get your information from the Mail that probably explains it. I was just telling you why you were getting nowhere with RR. I have no interest in going further. Stay with your ignorance if it turns you on.

 

I'm not getting my infromation solely from the Daily Mail, but also from The Sun, The Independent (a left wing newspeper), the Police etc. According to you, the Met Police, for instence, their goal is to publish a "hate information" all across London?

 

Here is another example of how the Israeli authorities treat non-jews:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-destroys-11-palestinian-homes-outskirts-jerusalem-132918489.html

 

Israel treats non-Jews must better than Muslims states treat Jews

The Muslim states exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews after 1948, and committed many acts of genocide against the Jews before that

 

https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948


Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed

by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.








TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.

The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen
The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
HANNAH ARENDT,
ABRAHAM BRICK,
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
ALBERT EINSTEIN,
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D.,
H.H. HARRIS,
ZELIG S. HARRIS,
SIDNEY HOOK,
FRED KARUSH,
BRURIA KAUFMAN,
IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
NACHMAN MAISEL,
SEYMOUR MELMAN,
MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
SAMUEL PITLICK,
FRITZ ROHRLICH,
LOUIS P. ROCKER,
RUTH SAGIS,
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY,
I.J. SHOENBERG,
SAMUEL SHUMAN,
M. SINGER,
IRMA WOLFE,
STEFAN WOLFE.

New York, Dec. 2, 1948





There is no question that zionism is the closest thing to fascism. Even these great Jewish scholars admitted it.

 

Really? Is that why Israel's prime minister asked Ovadia Yosef for advice? Because Yosef's opinion "counts nothing"?

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...-rabbi-ovadia-yosef-over-iran-strike-1.459547

This is amazing when you think about it: this chief rabbi says that the sole purpose of non-jews is to serve jews and that Arabs should be exterminated – and the Israeli government consults with him about extremely important matters like a possible attack on Iran.

 

Silly Zionist lies.
Jews were banned to leave Arab countries. Do I need to source this again?

 

you only talked about Iraq, but forgot about Egypt, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, UAE, Yemen, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Sudan.

and Muslim Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq

Could you end that parroting of Zionistic lies?
Would be great.

 

again, that's only Iraq.

how about Egypt, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, UAE, Yemen, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Sudan.

and Muslim Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey.

 

I can prove that several Arab and Muslim states allowed Jews to go to Israel.

 

It remains far cry from ethnic cleansing. Especially when I have sourced that most Arab states banned it. That shows that you've been parroting Zionist lies.

 

hundreds of thousands of Jews from Arab states were deported or had their citizenship stripped, after 1948.

 

This is the best resource for the forgotten Jewish refugees:
http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.co.il/

 

Deported? lol.... Israel picked them up. And if any American during WWII would let themselves be picked up by Nazi Germany to fight there and commit genocide against Jews, than no doubt you would not care that those Americans would have their citizenship stripped. Heck, countries do that to people who join ISIS these days.

 

My view on this is somewhat complicated......
I am a Christian but.......

I have studied enough of Judaism to consider converting to Judaism and I even
priced a circumcision back in 1999.....

To a degree.... I consider myself a part of the Noahide Movement and......
I support the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple but.........

although my wife could begin her application for her Israeli citizenship based on her
mom's last name....."Alvarado".... I have not felt like beginning this until she herself
begins to feel more of an emotional connection with her Jewish genetic
and philosophical roots.

If I ever did try to get her to apply for her Israeli citizenship it would be
so that she and I could perhaps perform a function / service for the nation of Israel
and for the Jewish people that not so many others are in a position to do.

 

Great article.....

I added it to this other discussion so that I could find it more easily:

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...red-400-000-did-majority-convert-islam-5.html
Thread: First century church may have numbered 400,000... did the majority convert to Islam?

 

Here's another article about how blacks are treated in Israel:

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.727935

http://www.nationtoday.news/israel-is-a-racist-country-take-it-from-me-an-ethiopian-israeli/

 

Here's another interesting article from Times of Israel:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/

So the vast majority of the jews who participated in this survey think that the Palestinians should be expelled from, or discriminated in, their own land. Despicable, but hardly surprising.

 

what % of Palestinians want to expel the Israelis?

 

Here's a Haaretz article about Israeli rabbis who say that it's forbidden for jews to rent homes to non-jews:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...s-say-racism-originated-in-the-torah-1.329327