North Korea says has developed ‘advanced hydrogen bomb’ that can be fitted on ICBM.

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    Is it in the genes to kill anything that does not threaten you directly? Rattle snakes do not attack if not threatened, they will look for the easiest escape from anything that threatens them. But you think that you are so brave and you think that you have taught someone a lesson. The only lesson learnt is that your desire to attack non-threatening victims
     
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    Cripes! I could have used the analogy of a den of cotton-mouthed water moccasins instead of rattlesnakes if everybody's going to defend the damned rattlesnakes because they give a warning! I'm probably wasting my time....

    Well, you boys can go sing "Kumbaya" to the North Koreans, and believe that the Iranians have given up nuclear weapons if you want to. BTW, did you know that according to the "treaty" that Obama and his idiots signed, inspectors are not (NOT) even allowed to inspect any site that the Iranians declare to be a "military site"! So exactly where in the hell do you THINK the Iranians would be likely to continue their nuclear R&D unmolested...?! :eekeyes:

    The North Koreans, however, were a couple of decades further along the road to nukes than the Iranians, so, they don't care who knows what they have, and they threaten us while rolling out more and more powerful thermonuclear weapons, and ICBM's with longer and longer ranges.

    Bottom line: when you mash all the air-bubbles and bullshit out of it, we STILL have the power to annihilate any other country on Earth, including China. But, that window in time is rapidly passing, and then murderous dictators like little Kimmy and the insane "religious" Islamo-priesthood that runs Iran will have the power to kill everyone in the world, right at their fingertips.

    And it doesn't bother you? How well can you sing "Kumbaya"...? :spin:

    [​IMG]. [​IMG]. "Sing on, you f*cking idiots! I can't WAIT to kill you all!" :nana:
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    Wrong. The treaty does allow inspectors to inspect any site that they have suspicion (with some evidence ) that nuclear R & D is being carried out within 28 days of the evidence presented. And no, before you say, it is not possible to clean out nuclear R & D sites within 28 days with current surveillance availability.

    Why should you be the only power to be able to annihilate any country on Earth, including China?. Lets see, who have North Korea attacked in my life time, answer zero countries. Who have Iran attacked in my life time, answer zero countries. Who have the US attacked in my life time, answer so many that it will take too long to count. The US is a war mongering terrorist nation. Action speaks louder than words
     
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    You are the one who is wrong about nuclear inspections in Iran. Iran flatly FORBIDS inspection at any site they unilaterally declare to be a "military" site. https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/8/30/iran-dismisses-us-call-for-access-to-military-sites

    You may also enjoy: http://www.cetusnews.com/news/Nikki...access-to-Iran-military-bases.B1eGE5eCuW.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ss-to-iran-military-bases-haley-idUSKCN1B524I

    Because -- we and our allies, South Korea and Japan are BEING THREATENED with thermonuclear hydrogen bombs! You have not revealed which country you live in, but I doubt you have a bunch of power-mad dictators and insane religious zealots threatening you with nuclear weapons!
     
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    The refusal is on allowing any site that the US decides on the whim to be inspected. If there is evidence presented that suggests nuclear R & D then that falls within the treaty. It is clear in the treaty that the US cannot inspect any military site that they want just because they feel like it. Typical of the US to try and change the "rules" stated in the signed treaty in their attempt to get other countries to support them in their desire to attack Iran.
    Actions speak louder than words.The US is the only country that has attacked other countries.
     
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    Not in my genes. It's in the genes to have an activation moment - a 'moment of shock' how this is called in the English language. But this moment gives no answers what to do. It activates the perception system and prepares a body to be able to react fast. Perhaps I have on my own a modification of the Saint Francis gene, although he had only spiritual but not biological descendants. If I don't know what to do I speak with animals and explain them my point of view. I'm often astonished: In lots of cases animals understand much more than I'm expecting. I guess in case of a warning rattlesnake I would say: "Beg your pardon, Miss. I'm not a member of your predator-prey system - so what's your problem? The distance? No problem. I will step back and make a bow around you. That's no problem for you and me." And the snake will perhaps answer "sine" or something like this. They are not good in speaking an "f".

    Human beings often think to destroy something gives them might. A problem of [a lack of] education I would say. To understand something means to be able to construct something. But who is able to give a lost life back? Life is still a wonder.

     
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    Oh, we're supposed to be able to prove (with 'evidence') that Iran is violating the treaty before we are allowed to go to the sites where we think that such violations occur...?! :omg: . And, how, pray, are we supposed to be able to do that when we are FORBIDDEN by the Islamo-priests who run this Iranian theocracy from getting anywhere near these sites to begin with?! I've rarely seen anyone so buoyantly naive -- and yet we had an idiot with a similar mentality in our White House -- for EIGHT YEARS! :spin:

    Your naiveté is matched only by your ignorance of how the Korean War began in the first place! Read, and learn: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/korean-war-begins

    In brief: The Korean War (1950-1953) began when the North Korean Communist army crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded non-Communist South Korea. As Kim Il-sung's North Korean army, armed with Soviet tanks, quickly overran South Korea, the United States came to South Korea's aid.e

    Oh... was that a school bell I heard? Why don't you run along now and head for class. There's obviously a lot you need to catch up on.... :shock:
     
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    Again a snake which warns.

    A long article for the antichristian message: "Who has no problem with snakes and likes not to be a killer on no reason to do so and who likes to sing together even with enemies of the USA is evil." You should perhaps just simple accept that you - and no one else too - is the master of the universe. Within this universe here exist priorities. Life is the highest priority.

     
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    A water moccasin gives no real warning, Anobsitar. For one thing, it has no "rattles". I grew up in Texas, where we had LOTS of these damned things. I know their behavior. They are, in fact, a snake that will deliberately chase and pursue you -- especially at night when it sees you are carrying a lamp or a flashlight, or have one in your boat when you are fishing at night. But, forget about the snakes. I was trying to illustrate a point, but you and that other poster want to dig at tiny details instead. Fine... let's deal instead with what is SO obvious....

    One thing is for sure -- the world is now a small place, like a 'bed' that all nations must share. North Korea is like having a snake in that bed with the rest of us. You and the others seem to think that's just fine. I think we need to drag the snake out and cut its head off. That states our chief difference in terms simple enough for all of us to agree on, I hope....

    Yes, we can agree that "life is the highest priority". Kim Jong-un makes it a very vocal point to repeatedly threaten my life as an American, and the lives of all who disagree with him and oppose him. Can we agree on that, too...?
     
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    You try to make me more and more angry. Why? The creation of god is holy and under all creatures Jesus gave us snakes as an extraordinary good example of natural intelligence of a harmless creature without legs and arms.

    Good grief. Some people seem only to exist because they like to demonstrate how much stupergy they need to bring patient people into white heat. Who gives you any right to say a creature of god is damned?

    They are snakes. Animals. We can study them and understand what they are doing on what reason.

    I don't fish at night. At night I travel on a carpet woven from light through the world.

    Never a woman would say such a nonsense. If someone misses a bed, then we will build him a bed.

    So you say here North Korea needs warmth.

    You should perhaps accept that "snake" is for me not an expression which has anything to do with any form of enmity. Although the whole creation of god is holy we would normally not say animals are holy, because we don't like to confuse nature religions and monotheism. Nevertheless: In case we would call animals holy - they are indeed holy - snakes would be preferred holy animals, because Jesus spoke very positive about snakes.

    What you say here is exactly what Islamists are doing.

    I said it yet to you: Moral is a double-edged sword cutting both ways. US-Americans kill every year a million unborn US-Americans. Your "logic" says very clear that you would nuke the USA, because it is the worst real enemy - and not only possible enemy - of the citizens of the USA. Nevertheless when I spoke about life then I did not think about political unions and states or an abstract enmity. I thought about life. Mrs. Smith in Kansas for example is life. I don't know Mrs. Smith from Kansas - but that's no reason to murder this wonderful woman - nor her husband, her daughter or her son. I'm sure she's wonderful, although I don't know her. Same with people in North Korea. What have they to do with the deeds of their slave holders, ahem - sorry: "leaders"? You speak without any scruple about mass-murder.

     
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    Well obviously nobody is keeping a score, I'm just putting it into perspective.
     
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    Suggestion:

    Let these NK Cheerleaders with the US cheerleaders make a "Bitch Battle" ... instead of throwing on each other bombs and missiles? ;-)
     
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    You wrote "Oh, we're supposed to be able to prove (with 'evidence') that Iran is violating the treaty before we are allowed to go to the sites where we think that such violations occur...?!"

    Well, yea, 'cos' that is what was agreed in the treaty! BTW it is not "prove" it is providing support for your suspicions, you know, like any reasonable country would have. Are you in favour of a police state where police can raid your home at any time just to see if you are doing something illegal;? Oh, and also there is no such thing as Islamo Nazis or Islamo priests however much you think using those descriptions will help you achieve your blood lust


    You really want to go back 70 years to see who is the war mongering terrorist nation as if that helps your case?
     
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    YOU stated that we must provide "evidence" in order to inspect Iranian military sites. I asked you how we can provide such "evidence" if we are FORBIDDEN to get anywhere near these sites. So then you go off on some unrelated rant about whether I'm in favor of a "police state"...? Do you know what the Latin phrase, 'non sequitur' means...? Oh, BTW, even if we were somehow, someway, to produce "evidence" sufficient to make a case for gaining entrance to one of these places for an inspection, the Iranians would protest, throw up roadblocks, and delay endlessly. Thus, NO inspection would occur, as they have already said! End result: we will have TWO 'North Koreas' to deal with shortly....
    YOU were the one who accused the United States of starting this war in Korea! YOU! And when I present the all-too-obvious proof that it was the North Korean communist regime that invaded South Korea, you come back with more of your wholly erroneous load of crap calling the U. S. the "war mongering terrorist nation"...? In addition to naivete and ignorance, you are also obviously a hypocrite as well. Forget about the 'school bell'... there is no system of learning that can cure you of that....
     
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    My analogy involving 'snakes' was used to illustrate the danger that North Korea poses to the U. S. and our allies, and, in a greater context, to the entire world. If you reject that, I understand. You speak accurately about the nature of their "leaders" who hold the NK population in a status close to slavery. It is up to the same NK population to overthrow their "leaders" if and when they feel strongly enough about their condition. Apart from that, we owe it to OURSELVES and our allies to protect ourselves from the stark, obvious danger posed by those same "leaders". Self-defense is not murder, Anobsitar. You also reject that, and, I understand.

    Do not worry! Nobody is going to stop North Korea now. Nobody is going to stop the Islamo-Nazis in Iran, either. We are all going to go on with "business-as-usual" until the 'wheels' finally come off the 'wagon'.

    Then, all HELL will break loose, and I can only hope for you that Germany has the sense to have created a much closer relationship with Russia. Why? We in the U. S. grow weaker, more chaotic, and more hateful toward each other every day, but Russians are quite unified, purposeful, and they grow stronger every day. Vladimir Putin enjoys an approval rating currently measured by the Levada Center at more than 80%.

    By contrast, we are vulnerable, and I believe that it is just a matter of time before we are attacked with nuclear weapons (due to our deliberate negligence and stupid reliance on "sanctions"). But, no one will DARE to attack the Russian Federation with nuclear weapons! Vladimir Putin would utterly annihilate and totally destroy anyone who would attack the Rodina (Mother Russia)....

    And, because Germany strongly refuses to defend itself with nuclear weapons, who do you think that Germany should have the closest alliance with...?
     
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    Snakes are not a danger for people who like to learn. Snakes are creation of god. If the creation of god is a threat for the USA then something is wrong within the USA.

    For Stalin?

    Aha - you got. it. So the USA has to speak with other nations and to find common elements.

    Do you know why the head is round? This gives thoughts the possibility to change the direction.

    I thought about all leaders and all elites worldwide. Normally I call them "idiots". Sometimes "criminals". More seldom "honorable people".

    An conjecture: This slavery could be a a form of self convincing slavery. Practically slaves convince slaves that they are right to be slaves. It's perhaps a kind of gigantic Stockholm-syndrome what happens in dictatorships. If it would be only slaves, then we could promise them to win freedom - but nothing fears a self convincing slave more than freedom. A psychological tragedy.

    Don't try to tell me bullshit.

    Sure you understand, because you know what murder is - whether you like to ignore this or not. In a war are killing people each other, who don't know each other. In most cases not on reason of self defense but on reason of idiotic orders from their leaders.

    You understood really nothing what I said. If god will tell me "Even my patience has limits - I will throw this planet full of aggressive idiots now into the sun" then I understand God and I will perhaps even agree. Nevertheless I would try to convince god to give all mankind a new chance. But you are not god - you are the reason why I understand god.

    Angela Merkel is ready for the role of a mediator.

    The Iran stopped his nuclear program. You don't have or see the world only with the eyes of Saudi Arabia.

    Which hell?

    Aha

    With Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia.



     
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    Do you actually know any of the details of the sign deal as it is clear that your knowledge is lacking? So you want the US to be even more of a rogue nation that will ignore signed deals. As for "police state", that is a perfect analogy. Do you know what a police state allows? Would you be happy for the police to knock on your door now and demand to be let in just because they feel like it, no reasons of suspicion or evidence of a crime given

    Do you have reading comprehension problems or are you a liar? Let's see what did I write:
    "Lets see, who have North Korea attacked in my life time, answer zero countries. Who have Iran attacked in my life time, answer zero countries. Who have the US attacked in my life time, answer so many that it will take too long to count." followed by "Actions speak louder than words.The US is the only country that has attacked other countries." Notice the plural, countries", South Korea is one country

    If you want to go back to 1950, then since that time the evidence is that the US is even more of a terrorist nation as there will be even more countries to be added to the list of countries that the US have attacked in my lifetime.

    BTW, your snake analogy was great, excellent own goal. A threatened rattle snake will make a lot of noise while it tries to escape the threat from you and mind its own business, but you want to just destroy it even though it never was a threat to you in the first place.

    The US is a war mongering state and you support that action
     
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    Believe whatever you wish. On every level, you are completely unworthy to have any further correspondence with. Your responses stink of hypocrisy, ignorance, naivete, and, worse, a deliberate effort to LIE. Example -- who STARTED the Korean War? "Go back to 1950"? Yes, simpleton, because, that's when the damned war STARTED. Would you be shocked to learn also that it NEVER ENDED?! :omg: It's absolutely painful to try to have discourse with someone like you when you deliberately ignore or mangle even the most basic of facts. Bitch all you want to now, but don't expect an answer from me. I will not reach down into the toilet of your mind again.... :toilet:
     
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    As I predicted, we agree on very little. Still, I believe you are an honest person, and I respect your integrity, even though we disagree about much. Going forward, let us hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. All the very best to you and everyone in Germany!

    BTW, my favorite recorded performance of Beethoven's 9th Symphony is an old one... from 1952 -- the NBC Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Arturo Toscanini. https://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Arturo-Toscanini-NBC-Orchestra/dp/B002WXKPP8 . Cheers!
     
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    Your problem is to believe in an all-mighty and all-knowing USA, which needs no one and nothing on this planet what's not USA - and you don't believe you have to respect the beautiful and wonderful life of snakes and/or other animals as for example also the life of human beings. And I fear you never will learn to do so on your own free will. The only way how "the USA" (="you") is able to learn seems to be experience. But it's difficult to make experiences with ignorance. No one is able to imagine what he doesn't like to see. No one is able to think without universal logic. And no one is able to survive who ignores the reality. For example who ignores what the reality of a nuclear war is - or what the reality of a climate change is - or what the reality of 800,000 young people is (¿Are they now exmigrants?) and so on and so on. War is by the way often only a way to hide incompetent actions of a government behind a fire curtain, which have nothing to do with war.

     
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    Ah, I wish I could meet you, perhaps in the Ahrtal region, and have few glasses of the wonderful wine they produce there. We could discuss many things of interest. You are, I think, a very interesting fellow, with a deep, philosophical mind.

    As you say, "...no one is able to survive who ignores the reality." The unfortunate reality about thermonuclear hydrogen bombs is that they do have the ability to utterly annihilate all life on this planet... all the snakes, all the other animals, and you, and me. I see great danger confronting us all when such weapons are in the hands of people like Kim Jong-un and the 'religious' Islamo-Nazi priesthood that rules Iran, but you do not....

    How many countless times have we heard and read people saying, AFTER World War II, "Ah, if ONLY someone had stopped Nazi Germany before the invasion of Poland!" Hindsight is always crystal-clear, and history can provide us lessons about how we can avoid making the same mistakes, over and over. Today's "Hitler" is named Kim Jong-un....
     
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    The time to stop Hitler was before the german occupation of Czechoslovakia

    The nazi generals were prepared to overthow hitler if his bluff with nevil chamberlain failed

    But chamberlain caved in and that made hitler too popular to overthrow
     
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    You are probably right... the best time to take Hitler out would have been before he gobbled up all of Czechoslovakia. He made a case for annexing the Sudetenland, which seemed 'reasonable' at the time, in the context of the time, but he had no right at all to take the whole country.

    Today, back on topic, I would submit to you that the best time to get rid of Kimmy is RIGHT NOW, before he actually destroys South Korea, Japan, or both -- and, possibly puts nuclear warheads on American cities, too (as he has threatened to do)....
     
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    I agree

    Don't wait until he can reach America with so many nuclear missiles that millions of people will have to die
     
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    You simplify Persia, Korea and Germany - the Orient, Asia and Europe. You simplify religions too.

    Who said so? A short time after world war 2 nearly everyone was still convinced Poland had attacked Germany; which had defended itself. The famous sentence in this context is "... seit 5:45 wird zurückgeschossen ...". This sentence exists in the collective memory of all Germans in a similar way how the words "nine-eleven" exist in the USA (and Germany). "We" reacted in a kind of war on suppression as you reacted with a "war on terror". In our case "we" believed in lies - in case 9/11 the attack was real. But since 9/11 the USA made a lot of bullshit in context "war on terror" - for example the war in Iraq on reason of not existing WMDs.

    Today nearly everyone is able to study very exact how this foray on Poland escalated. What the most people still don't know: World war 2 started with the Molotow-Ribbentrop pact, where Stalin and Hitler, both together, decided to eliminate Poland. The problem of World War 2 was in general not any military problem for Germans - the problem was the Darwinian racism of the Nazis and their will to eliminate practically in an endless row of Holocausts everyone who did not agree with them.

    Hitler used war as a kind of "fire curtain" for a kind of invisibility of the Holocaust. After this war an iron curtain had separated the world for long decades. So where do you see now any common element?

     
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